From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Tue Feb 8 18:04:15 2000 Received: from majordom@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id SAA04940 (ESMTP). Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:04:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id RAA25757. Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:58:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svis01 [131.155.70.161] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA25753 (ESMTP). Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:58:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61] by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA01428 (ESMTP). Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:56:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from 209-122-212-51.s559.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.212.51] helo=sanderva) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12IDvf-0007LO-00 for discovery@win.tue.nl; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:55:55 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000208115216.006bdd68@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: sanderva@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 11:52:16 -0500 To: From: Jeanne & Tom Sander Subject: [EXP] Missing Information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO The Washington Map Society has misplaced the contact information for: Mark GAVENS Linda PETERS If anyone on the list can either pass this message to either of them, or provide me, off line, the contact information, it would be very much appreciated. Many Thanks in advance. Tom Sander excuse cross posting *************************************************** Thomas F. Sander Phone (703) 426-2880 Editor, The Portolan Fax (703) 426-2881 Washington Map Society P. O. Box 10793 E-mail Sanderva@erols.com Burke, VA 22009-0793 USA Web Sites: Wash Map Soc: http://users.supernet.com/pages/jdocktor/washmap.htm The Portolan: http://users.supernet.com/pages/jdocktor/portolan.htm ***************************************************
"Without geography, you're nowhere."
From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Feb 11 22:59:53 2000 Received: from majordom@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id WAA08490 (ESMTP). Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:59:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id WAA08382. Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:54:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svis01 [131.155.70.161] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id WAA08378 (ESMTP). Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:54:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@milhouse.tenagra.com [63.73.56.12] by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id WAA22448 (ESMTP). Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:54:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from [63.73.56.23] (hart.tenagra.com [63.73.56.23]) by milhouse.tenagra.com (8.9.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12504 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:54:48 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: jhart@milhouse.tenagra.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:44:26 -0600 To: From: "Jeremy L. Hart" Subject: [EXP] Excerpt: An Officer and a Cannibal Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Dear discovery folks - Thought some of the folks on the list might find this interesting/useful, as it has to deal with the exploration of the Northwest Passage (and the disastrous Franklin expedition)... --- I have permission from publisher John Wiley & Sons, Inc. to distribute an excerpt from the new book "Ice Blink: The Tragic Fate of Sir John Franklin's Lost Polar Expedition" by Scott Cookman. Cookman investigates the mysterious disappearance of the Franklin expedition, a well equipped, experienced and admired crew that set out to find the Northwest Passage in 1845 and was never seen again. The last recorded sighting of them is chilling: "(they were) carrying a number of skulls...there were more than four...also bones from legs and arms that appeared to have been sawed off." The excerpt I have permission to distribute is taken from Chapter 21 of the book -- "Cannibalism." It recounts the horror the crew faced after abandoning ship and describes their surreal descent into cannibalism. To get the excerpt, simply send mailto:jhart@tenagra.com with the subject line "Send Ice Blink" and I will reply with a text file. Don't miss your chance to talk to Scott Cookman about this chilling story. He will be a guest at the following chats: => Monday, February 21st at 9 p.m. Eastern Time Talk City Travel-Talk Forum => Monday, February 21st at 10 p.m. Eastern Time About.com 19th Century History Forum => Wednesday, March 1st at 9 p.m. Eastern Time Inkspot Research for Writers Forum Take care, Jeremy Hart jhart@tenagra.com From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Feb 18 13:39:41 2000 Received: from majordom@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id NAA12131 (ESMTP). Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:39:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id NAA07039. Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:34:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from wsinfm15 [131.155.69.168] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id NAA07035 (ESMTP). Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:34:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@localhost by wsinfm15.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for discovery id NAA04961. Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:34:21 +0100 (MET) From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels) Message-Id: <200002181234.NAA04961@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Subject: [EXP] SHD Conference St. Louis September 1999 To: discovery@win.tue.nl Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:34:20 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO This message was originally sent by Peter van de Krogt, but because he sent it from another address than the one he is subscribed by on the list, majordomo refused it as a non-member submission. ----- Forwarded message from owner-discovery@win.tue.nl ----- To all participants of the Conference of the Society for the History of Discoveries in September 1999 in St. Louis: I made some digital photographs during the conference and, a bit delayed, placed them on a website: http://members.xoom.com/peterfotos/shd1999.html enjoy! Maybe somebody can make a link to this site from the SHD homepage. Peter YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: p.vanderkrogt@geog.uu.nl Fax +31 15 212 6063 More information: http://cartography.geog.uu.nl/ YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ----- End of forwarded message from owner-discovery@win.tue.nl ----- -- Note: Because of personal problems I have been away from the Internet and email for two weeks. I ask your understanding if I am late in reacting to your email. Andre Engels, engels@win.tue.nl, ICQ #6260644 http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/index_en.html A child is not a glass that is filled, but a fire that is set ablaze. - Maria Montessori From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Feb 18 19:07:52 2000 Received: from majordom@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id TAA01358 (ESMTP). Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:07:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id TAA14939. Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:03:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svis01 [131.155.70.161] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA14935 (ESMTP). Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:03:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from ewwolf@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10] by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA05811 (SMTP). Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:03:10 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ewwolf@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA22822; Fri, 18 Feb 1972 13:06:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1972 13:06:40 -0500 Message-Id: <197202181806.NAA22822@cap1.CapAccess.org> From: ewwolf@capaccess.org (Eric W. Wolf) To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: [EXP] Upcoming auction Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Many items of geographic and cartographic interest related to the Pacific, AUstralia, New Zealand, the Polar regions, and Africa are included in Waverly Auction 162 on March 2. The catalogue is available now at www.waverlyauctions.com From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Feb 19 20:25:43 2000 Received: from majordom@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id UAA29688 (ESMTP). Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:25:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id UAA12100. Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:19:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from wsinfm15 [131.155.69.168] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id UAA12096 (ESMTP). Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:19:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@localhost by wsinfm15.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for discovery id UAA06821. Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:19:50 +0100 (MET) From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels) Message-Id: <200002191919.UAA06821@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Subject: [EXP] Valdez To: discovery@win.tue.nl Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:19:49 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO I recently received this message. I could not help this person, but maybe one of you can? If you have an answer, please Cc: your reply to the original sender, Sandie2e@aol.com. P.S.: Ray, I have taken the liberty to put you on this list. I hope you do not mind! ----- Hello, My fourth grade students and I are researching the explorers that the state of California has determined important to the curriculum. We have not materials or information on Valdez. I wonder why the powers that be at the capital decided he was so important yet we can't find anything about him. Do you have any idea why he was so important to California History? Do you know where we might find something about him? I would appreciate any information. Yours very truly Sandra Toohey ----- -- Note: Because of personal problems I have been away from the Internet and email for two weeks. I ask your understanding if I am late in reacting to your email. Andre Engels, engels@win.tue.nl, ICQ #6260644 http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/index_en.html A child is not a glass that is filled, but a fire that is set ablaze. - Maria Montessori From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sun Feb 20 00:09:26 2000 Received: from majordom@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id AAA07218 (ESMTP). Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:09:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id AAA16185. Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:05:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id AAA16181 (ESMTP). Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:05:04 +0100 (MET) From: WJWarren@aol.com Received: from WJWarren@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.c3.201db7a (3319); Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:04:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:04:30 EST Subject: Re: [EXP] Valdez To: discovery@win.tue.nl CC: Sandie2e@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO The question is a little nebulous. Could this reference be to Cayetano Valdes who sailed with Malaspina in 1791 ands then was co-captain of the Galiano-Valdes expedition of 1792 to the Vancouver area? Neither of these voyages was of great import to California interests, so perhaps it's another person. Can you supply any more context for the person being sought? Bill Warren. President, California Map Society wjwarren@aol.com From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sun Feb 20 02:02:12 2000 Received: from majordom@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id CAA15635 (ESMTP). Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:02:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id BAA17746. Sun, 20 Feb 2000 01:57:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id BAA17742 (ESMTP). Sun, 20 Feb 2000 01:57:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from seaport.com (o6.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.134]) by dns2.seanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA02833; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:57:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38AF3E70.737012AB@seaport.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:08:01 -0800 From: William Hall Organization: Seaport Consultants X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discovery@win.tue.nl, Sandie Subject: Re: [EXP] Valdez References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Sandie: Cayetano Valdez would be the only maritime explorer I can think of. If this is in fact the same guy, some reference works that might be helpful would be: Kendrick, J. 1986. The Men With Wooden Feet - The Spanish Exploration of the Pacific Northwest, NC Press, Toronto. Ministerio de Transportes, Turismo y Comunicaciones de Espana. 1986. To The Totem Shore - The Spanish Presence on the Northwest Coast, Madrid.. Thurman, M.E. 1967. The Naval Department of San Blas, Arthur Clark Co., Glendale, CA. Hope this helps. Bill Hall -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- William J. Hall [whall@seaport.com] Seaport Consultants, Inc. 22515 91st Avenue West, Edmonds, WA, USA 98026 Tel: (425) 672-9020, Fax: (425) 672-8657 http://www.seaport.com Specialist consultants in the port and intermodal industries ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sun Feb 20 06:27:30 2000 Received: from majordom@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id GAA24398 (ESMTP). Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:27:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id GAA22546. Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:23:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svis01 [131.155.70.161] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id GAA22542 (ESMTP). Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:23:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.deltacable.com [207.230.239.70] by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id GAA09267 (ESMTP). Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:23:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from dccnet.com (unverified [216.13.173.51]) by yoda.dccnet.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:22:50 -0800 Message-ID: <38AF79E1.AA4AD9B@dccnet.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:21:39 -0800 From: jwood Organization: Joseph Wood Construction X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] Valdez References: <200002191919.UAA06821@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Greetings: After Capt. Cook left the Spanish in California, with his new timekeeper , which allowed him to keep better track of his latitude, the Spanish where anxious to exercise there control of the Pacific Northwest. Several official voyages into the cold northern waters where made following Drake's departure from the Acapulco area in 1578-9, and life continued in a very Spanish way with only occasional fur voyages and independent entrepreneurs taking advantage of what resources they could turn a dollar with. None of these voyages were official , so the Spanish government sent several ships and men to fly the flag on what is now Vancouver Island, British Columbia, several ships belonging to English traders where seized and the crew taken to Mexico as prisoners. (This is only a story) Rumour was that when Capt. Vancouver arrived at latitude 48' from the Pacific ocean and entered the Straight of Juan de Fuca he let it be understood by the Spanish that by showing a "cooked" set of books ; he had come directly from England using a newly discovered Northwest Passage. A little subterfuge goes a long way when resources are limited, the Spanish dickered about just how and when they where going to leave.They eventually left and also closed down a fort they had built at the entrance to the Straight of Juan de Fuca. What historical significance had Valdez , they named an island after him in the Straight of Georgia. Ralph Heading From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Feb 25 17:32:15 2000 Received: from majordom@svin12 [131.155.71.135] by svfile1.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id RAA29950 (ESMTP). Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:32:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for discovery-list id RAA09168. Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:26:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svis01 [131.155.70.161] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id RAA09164 (ESMTP). Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:26:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail1.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.65] (may be forged) by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA25566 (SMTP). Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:26:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:26:49 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200002251626.RAA25566@svis01.win.tue.nl> Received: (qmail 20432 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2000 16:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JimH.msns.leh.ptd.net) (24.229.52.139) by mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2000 16:26:28 -0000 X-Sender: heritage@mail.ptd.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: discovery@win.tue.nl From: Heritage Map Museum Subject: [EXP] Antique Map, Atlas, Book Auction Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Saturday, March 11th, 2000 Auction XVIII The March 11th Auction of Antique Maps, Atlases and Books is now displayed on our Web Site. http://www.carto.com 195 Images accompany 225 Lots of fine 16th to 19th Century maps from all over the World. Some notables: 049. (Americas) Munster, S. 1552. Novae Insvlae XXVI Nova Tabvla. 059. (California) De Fer, Nicholas. 1720. La Californie ou Nouvelle Caroline. 067. (New France) Ramusio. 1565. La Nvova Francia. 171. (Leo Belgicus) Strada. 1632 1) This is a Live Auction with participants on site and others who participate by submitting Absentee Bids by phone, e-mail, mail or fax (Absentee Bid Form on Web). Please note the new location of our Auctions, as well as, the address of our new Gallery. Advance reservations can be made for "telephone bidding." Please contact us immediately. 2) Highly illustrated Printed Catalogues are now available and will be sent by PRIORITY MAIL. Individual Catalogues are $15.00 each and a Year's Subscription for Four Catalogues is $50. Foreign Subscribers: please add $10.00 and $40.00 respectively. AMEX, VISA, MC, DISC. You may e-mail, Fax, or telephone your order. Our next Auction is scheduled for June 17, 2000. Please call us about quality consignment. James E. Hess Curator & Owner Heritage Map Museum 49 N. Broad St. (Rear) PO Box 412 Lititz, Pa 17543 717-626-5002 FAX 626-8858 http://www.carto.com A child is not a glass that is filled but a fire that is set ablaze. Maria Montessori The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitude. William James From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Feb 16 22:31:08 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1GLUc720581 for discovery-list; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:30:38 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: svin12.win.tue.nl: majordom set sender to owner-discovery@win.tue.nl using -f Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1GLUW020577 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:30:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from svbcf02.win.tue.nl (svbcf02.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1GLUWB08311 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:30:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svbcf02.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1GLUU927974 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:30:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from ambr.mtholyoke.edu (ambr.mtholyoke.edu [138.110.1.10]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1GLUQB08305 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:30:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from mhc.mtholyoke.edu (mhc.mtholyoke.edu [138.110.1.1]) by ambr.mtholyoke.edu (8.7.3/v010213-1021) with ESMTP id QAA33901 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mmcmenam@localhost) by mhc.mtholyoke.edu (8.7.3/v010213-1021) with ESMTP id QAA267975 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:30:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:30:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark A. McMenamin" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] Tarshish Tartessos In-Reply-To: <200102162100.f1GL0iL15914@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO I have never cared much for the Thera/Santorini theory for Atlantis. Plato is quite clear about Atlantis' westward location. Plato's account (he claims an Egyptian source) has certain intriguing elements that suggest some sort of factual basis. Lots of geological structures could form concentric harbors (atolls, sunken calderas, impact basins). But according to the principle of isostasy it is impossible to sink an entire continent into the Atlantic sea floor. || Mark McMenamin || Department of Earth and Environment || Mount Holyoke College || South Hadley, MA 01075 || 413 538-2280 FX-2239 On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Andre Engels wrote: > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:00:44 +0100 (MET) > From: Andre Engels > Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl > To: discovery@win.tue.nl > Subject: Re: [EXP] Tarshish Tartessos > > Mark A. McMenamin wrote: > > > Whether Plato's Atlanteans refers to Phoenicians or to their Iberian > > predecessors I am not sure. > > There is indeed a theory that Plato's Atlantis story was based on Tartessos. > Some details of the story have some similarity to either Tartessos or the > nearby Phoenician city of Gades (contemporary Cadiz), and Tartessos seems > to have disappeared rather suddenly, from which it might have been thought > that it was swallowed by the sea. Modern-day historians are more inclined > to believe it was destroyed by the Carthaginians because they were competitors > on the trade routes to the Tin Islands (Cornwall) - a route which may have > been a trade secret stolen from them by the Carthaginians as well. > > Another theory links the Atlantis story with the eruption of the vulcanic > island of Thera and the resulting backlash of the Minoic civilization. > > Of course there are also theories that it was where Plato originally placed > it, in the Atlantic (unlikely for geological reasons), or that it was simply > made up by Plato. And then a whole array of pet theories placing Atlantis > just about everywhere in the world, but none of them with much support or > many supporters. > > > -- > Andre Engels, engels@win.tue.nl > telephone: +31-40-2474628 (work) +31-6-17774490 (mobile) > http://www.win.tue.nl/~engels/index_en.html > PGP Public key: see http://www.win.tue.nl/~engels/pgp.asc > > If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, > we don't believe in it at all -- Noam Chomsky > > From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Feb 17 10:49:29 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1H9m6m21727 for discovery-list; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:48:06 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: svin12.win.tue.nl: majordom set sender to owner-discovery@win.tue.nl using -f Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1H9m0021723 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:48:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from svbcf02.win.tue.nl (svbcf02.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by kweetal.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1H9lxZ00800 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:47:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svbcf02.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1H9lx907774 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:47:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from picard.skynet.be (picard.skynet.be [195.238.3.131]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1H9lwB29014 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:47:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from h8f5f4 (adsl-53912.turboline.skynet.be [217.136.82.152]) by picard.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.10) with SMTP id f1H9lto10167 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:47:55 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <007e01c098c6$7ad50020$985288d9@h8f5f4> From: "Johan Deckers" To: "discoverylist" References: <4.3.2.7.1.20010217082615.00a997f0@mail.smartchat.net.au> Subject: [EXP] Cambridge Dictionary of Australian Places Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:46:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C098CE.DC2D11C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C098CE.DC2D11C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable something completely different. A question that's bothering me for some time: where does the name King = Leopold Ranges come from? If some'one out there has the Cambridge Dictionary of Australian Places = within handreach, can you inform me? Please answer on my personal email-adress: johan.deckers@skynet.be Thanks anyway Johan ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----=20 Van: Ted Webber=20 Aan: Peter & Jean-Margaret Chapple ; CaptCook@listbot.com ; Malcolm = Sheffield ; Vanessa Collingridge ; Riemer Brouwer=20 Verzonden: zaterdag 17 februari 2001 0:05 Onderwerp: The Glass Furnace Mountains? Capt. James Cook 1728 - 1779, Explorer=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- ListBot Sponsor Get low APR NextCard VISA, in 30 seconds! 1. Fill in the brief application 2. Receive approval decision in 30 seconds 3. Get rates as low as 2.99% Intro or 9.99% Ongoing APR and now annual fee! 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These hills ... are very remarkable on account of their = singular form of elevation which very much resembles glass houses which = occasioned my giving them that name." (Parkin's sketch of Cook's view from the sea beyond Moreton Island, = about 50 km from the group of volcanic plugs standing up from the eroded = plain, has used some artistic licence: it looks more like what I see = from 20 km distance near my house on a very clear day, from a much = higher vantage point. If anyone is interested, I can scan and send this = pic.) I have always been puzzled by Cook's apparent comparison with what I = took to be greenhouses. Had he seen something like the huge glasshouses = at Kew Gardens when he visited Banks at his Revesby estate? A glass = furnace seems a much more probable explanation. Can anyone comment? Was = such a glass furnace similar to a Staffordshire bottle-shaped pottery = kiln, which the mountains do indeed resemble? 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Hi there again!

Today's Sunshine Coast Daily newspaper, p. = 30, has=20 the following item under "Send your question to Maroochy Shire Library = Service":

"Q: Can you tell me how the Glass House Mountains = came by=20 their name?

"A: James Cook gave the mountains their name in = 1770=20 because they resembled glass furnaces he had seen in his native = Yorkshire..."
"From: The Cambridge Dictionary of Australian=20 Places."

Those who have a copy of the Journals may like to look = up 17th=20 May 1770. On page 225 of Ray Parkin's "HM Bark Endeavour" where Cook = describes=20 the scene from offshore of what is now the Sunshine Coast, where I now = live,=20 we read:

"... this place may always be found by three hills ... = in the=20 Latitude of 26=B0 53' S. These hills ... are very remarkable on = account of their=20 singular form of elevation which very much resembles glass houses = which=20 occasioned my giving them that name."

(Parkin's sketch of = Cook's view=20 from the sea beyond Moreton Island, about 50 km from the group of = volcanic=20 plugs standing up from the eroded plain, has used some artistic = licence: it=20 looks more like what I see from 20 km distance near my house on a very = clear=20 day, from a much higher vantage point. If anyone is interested, I can = scan and=20 send this pic.)

I have always been puzzled by Cook's apparent=20 comparison with what I took to be greenhouses. Had he seen something = like the=20 huge glasshouses at Kew Gardens when he visited Banks at his Revesby = estate? A=20 glass furnace seems a much more probable explanation. Can anyone = comment? Was=20 such a glass furnace similar to a Staffordshire bottle-shaped pottery = kiln,=20 which the mountains do indeed resemble?

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------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C098CE.DC2D11C0-- From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Mon Feb 19 11:44:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1JAdY325707 for discovery-list; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:34 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: svin12.win.tue.nl: majordom set sender to owner-discovery@win.tue.nl using -f Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1JAdR025703 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from svbcf02.win.tue.nl (svbcf02.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1JAdQB07215 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svbcf02.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1JAdQ924830 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1JAdPB07208 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from hatfield.mail.uk.easynet.net (hatfield.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.39]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D5C86F81A4 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:39:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 77734 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2001 10:38:40 -0000 Received: from howgego.easynet.co.uk (HELO easynet.co.uk) ([193.131.251.131]) (envelope-sender ) by hatfield.mail.uk.easynet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Feb 2001 10:38:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3A90F63C.4EEC6E6A@easynet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:32:28 +0000 From: Ray Howgego X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: [EXP] Re: Captain Danell References: <000a01c097be$5883ffc0$324705c3@arrakis.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Please could any of our Greenland scholars provide me with the Christian name of Captain Danell, the Danish navigator who made two voyages to Greenland in 1652 and 1653 ? Any biographical details, or bibliographic information would also be very welcome. Many thanks in anticipation. Ray From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Tue Feb 20 04:17:09 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1K3GWq27142 for discovery-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 04:16:32 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: svin12.win.tue.nl: majordom set sender to owner-discovery@win.tue.nl using -f Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1K3GP027138 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 04:16:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from svbcf02.win.tue.nl (svbcf02.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by kweetal.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1K3GOZ10057 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 04:16:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by svbcf02.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1K3GO920523 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 04:16:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from lmta01.melange.net (mx.melange.net [212.59.199.94]) by kweetal.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1K3GNZ10053 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 04:16:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from ssmtp01.melange.isp ([192.168.197.182]) by lmta01.melange.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29501 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 04:11:31 +0100 Received: from hola ([195.5.74.134]) by ssmtp01.melange.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G91CV600.W45 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 04:11:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c09aeb$5ae31f00$864a05c3@arrakis.es> From: "jpedro" To: References: <200102162100.f1GL0iL15914@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Subject: [EXP] insulae non repertae Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 04:15:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO On insulae non repertae : Brazil island: (probably a visit to America before Columbus carried out by some English Sailors of Bristol): In John Day's letter to the Almirante Mayor of Castile (he is not Columbus but the chief of the navy of Castile, which was a nobility title inherited from parents to children, I believe that of a family surnamed Henriquez) and that was, I believe, in the Archive of Simancas (Spain): John Day says that (Newfoundland) " it is believed certainly that the end of the above mentioned land was thought already and discovered in the last times by the sailors of Bristol who found Brazil, as his "señoria" well it knows . And that the name that would correspond to that land would be a " Island of Brazil ". And that " it is assumed and it is believed that it is the principal land of which the men of Bristol found ". From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Tue Feb 20 11:25:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1KAOPt27846 for discovery-list; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:24:25 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: svin12.win.tue.nl: majordom set sender to owner-discovery@win.tue.nl using -f Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1KAOK027842 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:24:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from svbcf02.win.tue.nl (svbcf02.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1KAOJB29293 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:24:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svbcf02.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1KAOJ929698 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:24:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from janus.ericsson.no (janus-ext.ericsson.no [193.215.242.105]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1KAOIB29289 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:24:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from asker2.eto.ericsson.se (asker2.eto.ericsson.se [131.160.240.101]) by janus.ericsson.no (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA22738 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:23:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from eto.ericsson.se (hilmar [131.160.247.210]) by asker2.eto.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25744 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:24:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A9245D0.2E019BDA@eto.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:24:16 +0100 From: Geir Odden Organization: ETO X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] Re: Captain Danell References: <000a01c097be$5883ffc0$324705c3@arrakis.es> <3A90F63C.4EEC6E6A@easynet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Ray Howgego wrote: > Please could any of our Greenland scholars provide me with the Christian > name of Captain Danell David Danell The book: Hans Christian Gulløv__From Middle Ages to Colonial Times. Archaeological and ethnohistorical studies of the Thule culture in South West Greenland 1300-1800 AD__MoG Man & Society vol. 23_ 501 pp., 144 figs., drawings of 853 artefacts_ISBN: 87-90369-21-1 Re: http://www.dpc.dk/Publications/MoG/MS23.html will probably be of interest for you. Geir Odden From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Thu Feb 22 20:24:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1MJMla04203 for discovery-list; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:22:47 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: svin12.win.tue.nl: majordom set sender to owner-discovery@win.tue.nl using -f Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1MJMe004199 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:22:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from svbcf02.win.tue.nl (svbcf02.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1MJMeB26084 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:22:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svbcf02.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1MJMd923125 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:22:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1MJMcB26080 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:22:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from 66-44-61-223.s477.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.61.223] helo=Eugenia) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14W1K0-0001Cy-00 for discovery@win.tue.nl; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:22:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010222142050.00a45b50@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: sanderva@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:21:34 -0500 To: From: Jeanne & Tom Sander Subject: [EXP] "The Map Auction Business Today" - A Washington Map Society Field Trip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by svin12.win.tue.nl id f1MJMf004200 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO THE NEXT MEETING: The eighth event of the Washington Map Society program year will be held on TUESDAY February 27, 2001. We will make a Field Trip, meeting at 7:00 PM at Waverly Auctions, Bethesda, MD, for “The Map Auction Business Today: Cartography from the FIAT LUX Library,” a presentation by WMS Member/Waverly Owner Dale Sorenson and remarks by Eric Wolf. A major part of the Fiat Lux Library of cartography will be available for inspection as it will be auctioned off two days later, on Thursday March 1. If you would like to see a list of the auction items in advance, go to the Waverly Auctions website . Field Trip participants are asked to advise Tom Sander (details below) if they plan to attend. This will let our host know how many of us to expect - a short email to Tom Sander would be fine. Waverly Auctions is convenient to Bethesda METRO (Red Line) - walk 6 short blocks north on Old Georgetown Road, then turn right ½ block on Cordell. From the Washington Beltway, take Old Georgetown Road (Exit 36) south for 3 miles - Cordell Avenue is on the left. There is a parking garage across the street from Waverly Auctions. If parking is not possible there, there are charts at the garage indicating other nearby garages. Bethesda is renowned for its many restaurants. If you wish to dine early, or perhaps after the event, among the restaurants in Waverly's immediate vicinity are Nam's (Thai, and across the street from Waverly), Oodles of Noodles (Asian), and Tragara (Italian). Additional options are too numerous to mention. Why not bring your spouse, partner or friend and make this a real 'evening out'? OTHER EVENTS NEXT WEEK: On March 1, 2001, Waverly Auctions will be auctioning a portion of the Fiat Lux Library of Cartographic items. See the Web site above. While this is not a Washington Map Society event, it will be of interest to our members. From March 2-4, 2001, The 26th Annual Washington Antiquarian Book Fair will be held at the Holiday Inn Rosslyn at Key Bridge, 1900 N. Fort Myer Drive, Arlington, VA. This is very near the Rosslyn Metro (Blue and Orange Lines). Rare Books, maps, prints and more will be presented by 75 dealers. The hours are Friday from 5-9 PM, Saturday from 11AM-5PM , and Sunday from 12-5PM. There is a $12 entrance fee for unlimited attendance on all days. Otherwise the charge is $6 for Saturday or Sunday. More information, to include a list of dealers, is at the Fair's web site or you may call 301-654-2626. While the fair is in no way sponsored or endorsed by the Washington Map Society, numerous of the dealers present are members of the WMS (including JoAnn & Richard Casten Ltd, Hemispheres Antique Maps & Prints, and the Philadelphia Print Shop). Be sure to mention this notice and the Washington Map Society if you shop at one of our member locations. IN THE FUTURE (See WMS Web Site below for more details on these coming events): Mar 22 Pierre Sales “Innovation: Reformatting History and Education” Apr 19 FIELD TRIP to the National Geographic Society, Washington, DC. “Development of the 7th Edition of the National Geographic World Atlas” Apr 21 FIELD TRIP to New York City to see the NY Public Library Exhibit “Heading West: Mapping the Territory” and visit the NY Antiquarian Book Fair (map dealers present too). Point of Contact for this trip is John Docktor, phone 717-846-8995 fax 717-846-8996 or email at jdocktor@cyberia.com May 17 Annual Dinner and President's Presentation at the Capitol Hill Club. We will also recognize the 50th anniversary issue of The Portolan and editors of the journal. The Capitol Hill Club was the site of our very successful and popular event in May 1999. It is directly behind the Library of Congress and across the street from METRO. MARK YOUR CALENDARS NOW. All meetings (except as noted) will be held at the Reading Room, Geography and Map Division, Library of Congress, Madison Building, Independence Avenue (between First and Second Streets), Southeast, Washington D.C. Meetings are open to members and non-members alike, without charge. All are encouraged to attend. After 6:30 PM, parking meters in the area are free, and there is parking available after 6:30PM on the north side of Independence Avenue across from the Madison Building. For further information, contact Tom Sander, program chairman, at 703-426-2880, or by E-mail at sanderva@erols.com. Thomas F. Sander Vice President (Programs) Washington Map Society P.O. Box 10793 Burke, VA 22009-0793 phone (703) 426-2880 fax (703) 426-2881 E-mail sanderva@erols.com Portolan Web Site Washington Map Society Web Site From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Feb 23 01:19:47 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1N0JEX04688 for discovery-list; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:14 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: svin12.win.tue.nl: majordom set sender to owner-discovery@win.tue.nl using -f Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1N0J7004684 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from svbcf02.win.tue.nl (svbcf02.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1N0J6B09975 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by svbcf02.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1N0J5927706 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from lmta01.melange.net (mx.melange.net [212.59.199.94]) by kweetal.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1N0J5Z08359 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from ssmtp01.melange.isp ([192.168.197.182]) by lmta01.melange.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29618 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:14:08 +0100 Received: from hola ([195.5.76.33]) by ssmtp01.melange.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G96ONJ02.81S for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:14:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c09d2e$1219a1a0$214c05c3@arrakis.es> From: "jpedro" To: References: <200102162100.f1GL0iL15914@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> <000c01c09aeb$5ae31f00$864a05c3@arrakis.es> Subject: [EXP] Brazil insulae Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:17:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: ROr Information on the John Cabot first travel appears in a letter found in Spain, in the Archives of Simancas (a store or deposit of middle Age documents). It is a letter that was sent in about the year 1500, from an Englishman called John Day, to the Major Admiral of Castile (this admiral is not Columbus) In this letter it is said that "English sailors had crossed to a coast placed in the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, in a latitude equivalent to that it exists between the Cape Dursey of Ireland, and the mouth of the river of Bourdeaux". John Day adds: "this land already was seen and descovered in the last times for sailors of Bristol, who found Brazil, as his Lordship knows". According to Day, that land would be the "Island of Brazil", and it was the principal one of some lands that the men of Bristol had seen. Probably these men were Robert Thorne and Hugh Elyot, that in 1494 had done a travel to Newfoundland or Canada. Do you know something on this matter ? : a travel to "Brazil island" (mythical island of celts in the Atlantic) made by sailors of Bristol at the end of the Middle Age? Jose Anaya From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Feb 23 06:30:48 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1N5UEq05053 for discovery-list; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:30:14 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: svin12.win.tue.nl: majordom set sender to owner-discovery@win.tue.nl using -f Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1N5U7005049 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:30:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from svbcf02.win.tue.nl (svbcf02.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1N5U7B16341 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:30:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by svbcf02.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1N5U6901161 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:30:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from wyoming.com (MAIL.CONTACTCOM.NET [199.190.151.19]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1N5U5B16337 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:30:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from [204.227.199.21] (HELO 2rwy301) by wyoming.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2) with SMTP id 24684863 for discovery@win.tue.nl; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <006f01c09d59$85c982c0$15c7e3cc@2rwy301> From: "John L. Allen" To: References: <200102162100.f1GL0iL15914@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> <000c01c09aeb$5ae31f00$864a05c3@arrakis.es> <000701c09d2e$1219a1a0$214c05c3@arrakis.es> Subject: Re: [EXP] Brazil insulae Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:28:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO See David Beers Quinn, ENGLAND AND THE DISCOVERY OF AMERICAN 1481-1620, for the most detailed description of the Bristol voyages. John Allen Dr. John L. Allen 2703 Leslie Court Laramie, WY 82072-2979 Phone: (307) 742-0883 Fax: (307) 742-0886 e-mail: jlallen@wyoming.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpedro" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: [EXP] Brazil insulae > Information on the John Cabot first travel appears > in a letter found in Spain, in the Archives of Simancas (a store or deposit > of middle Age documents). > It is a letter that was sent in about the year 1500, > from an Englishman called John Day, to the Major Admiral of > Castile (this admiral is not Columbus) In this letter it is said > that "English sailors had crossed to a coast placed in the other side > of the Atlantic Ocean, in a latitude equivalent to that it > exists between the Cape Dursey of Ireland, and the > mouth of the river of Bourdeaux". John Day adds: > "this land already was seen and descovered in the last > times for sailors of Bristol, who found Brazil, as his > Lordship knows". According to Day, that land would be > the "Island of Brazil", and it was the principal > one of some lands that the men of Bristol had seen. Probably these > men were Robert Thorne and Hugh Elyot, that in 1494 > had done a travel to Newfoundland or Canada. > Do you know something on this matter ? : > a travel to "Brazil island" (mythical island of celts in the Atlantic) > made by sailors of Bristol at the end of the Middle Age? > > Jose Anaya > From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Feb 23 15:56:55 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1NEuIs05761 for discovery-list; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:56:18 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: svin12.win.tue.nl: majordom set sender to owner-discovery@win.tue.nl using -f Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1NEuB005757 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:56:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from svbcf02.win.tue.nl (svbcf02.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by kweetal.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1NEuBZ03736 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:56:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by svbcf02.win.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1NEuA917942 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:56:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by kweetal.tue.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1NEu9Z03726 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:56:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA09148; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:55:59 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from crc3 (ts032d04.hil-ny.concentric.net [206.173.25.64]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA09503; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:55:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010223095743.0091e100@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: jenterli@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:57:43 -0500 To: discovery@win.tue.nl From: James Enterline Subject: Re: [EXP] Brazil insulae In-Reply-To: <200102231120.f1NBKLH28762@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> References: <000701c09d2e$1219a1a0$214c05c3@arrakis.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO At 12:20 PM 02/23/01 +0100, Andre Engels wrote: > ... > ... search for Brazil (which, by the way, was a Celtic mythical island, >appearing once in the so-many years west of Ireland). ... The Celtic word " Hy Brasil" simply means "Isle of the Blessed," i.e., Insulae Fortunatae. I suspect that the late medieval search for Brasil west of Ireland has some yet undisclosed connection with the Inventio Fortunatae. Best wishes, Jim Enterline New York City Author, _Viking America_ Ham Radio KV2Z Horn, Columbia U. Wind Ens. Computer Systems Fellow, The Explorers Club