From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Thu Nov 12 02:25:37 1998 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id CAA05263 (ESMTP). Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:25:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id CAA15850. Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:22:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svtt01 [131.155.70.80] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id CAA15846 (ESMTP). Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:21:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.60.101] by svtt01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id CAA28984 (ESMTP). Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:21:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from swbell.net (ppp-207-193-16-191.hstntx.swbell.net [207.193.16.191]) by mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27513 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:21:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <364A389C.E514F652@swbell.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:23:41 -0600 From: Mike Flannigan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-SBIS-NC404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: [EXP] Mexico Ghost Town Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO >From Infobeat: Italian saint draws thousands to Mexico ghost town REAL DE CATORCE, Mexico (Reuters) - They arrive in this ghost town on foot, on donkeys, in jeeps and in convoys of buses, traveling hundreds of miles to honor a saint who lived 800 years ago on the other side of the world. Some trudge through a mile-long tunnel dripping with water that cuts through mountains riddled with derelict silver mines. Others climb one of the world's most hair-raising roads on foot to reach the Church of the Purest Conception in the village of Real de Quatorce in Mexico's desert heart. The cult of Saint Francis of Assisi, born in Italy in 1182 and after whom the influential Franciscan order was named, has never been so alive in Mexico. Each year belief in his power draws an estimated 200,000 pilgrims. See full story at: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2557025508-22c Mike Flannigan -- Mapping, Rock Collecting, Victims Rights: http://home.swbell.net/mikeflan From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Thu Nov 19 22:48:28 1998 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id WAA10328 (ESMTP). Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:48:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id WAA12974. 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Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:11:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from pool02b-194-7-41-11.uunet.be (pool02b-194-7-41-11.uunet.be [194.7.41.11]) by carbon.uunet.be (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA25509 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:11:54 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199811192111.WAA25509@carbon.uunet.be> X-Sender: pub00721@pophost.club.innet.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:24:37 +0000 To: discovery@win.tue.nl From: Deckers Johan Subject: [EXP] female travellers in 17-18th century Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Jeanne Baret travelled with Bougainville around the world, disguised as a man. Tahitians discovered her secret. Were there other woman, disguised or not, who travelled around the world in the 17-18th century? Johan Deckers From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Nov 21 10:43:25 1998 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id KAA26598 (ESMTP). Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:43:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id KAA20003. Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:08:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svis01 [131.155.70.161] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id KAA19999 (ESMTP). Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:07:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from f22.hotmail.com [207.82.251.202] by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id KAA00092 (SMTP). Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:07:33 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 3700 invoked by uid 0); 21 Nov 1998 09:07:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19981121090703.3699.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.255.163.200 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:07:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.255.163.200] From: "Gregory McIntosh" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: [EXP] Cabot and Newfoundland Website MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:07:03 PST Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO I stumbled across the following interesting URL on the discovery, exploration, and early settlement of Newfoundland for all those interested in Cabot and pre-Cabot discoveries of Newfoundland. http://www.heritage.nf.ca/exploration/es_map.html Greg McIntosh plusultra@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Tue Nov 24 11:14:50 1998 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id LAA07877 (ESMTP). Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:14:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id KAA01372. Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:31:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@wsinfm15 [131.155.69.168] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id KAA01368 (ESMTP). Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:30:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@localhost by wsinfm15.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery id KAA13453. Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:30:51 +0100 (MET) From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels) Message-Id: <199811240930.KAA13453@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Subject: [EXP] Bounce repost (please help) To: discovery@win.tue.nl Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:30:50 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO This message was sent to the list, but refused by majordomo because it was from a not-subscribed address. Original sender was miah@wjbqmail.com As he is not subscribed to the list, reactions should be Cc'ed to his personal address (sending them ONLY there is also a good option). ----- Forwarded message ----- hi- i am about to compose a conclusion, for a report on the era of exploration and dicovery. i am totaly lost,, will you please help me. i need ideas, this is due next monday, and i have this week off. i need to write a conclusion on why i think that this era should be considered a age of exploration and discovery,, help me please. your friend- jeremiah p.s. i will be very greatful. ---------------------- Get Your Free Email at http://www.wjbqmail.com ----- End of forwarded message ----- -- Andre Engels, engels@win.tue.nl, ICQ #6260644 http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/index_en.html A child is not a glass that is filled but a fire that is set ablaze. -- Vincent van Gogh (I think) From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Wed Nov 25 19:26:52 1998 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA09577 (ESMTP). Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:26:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id TAA15024. Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:21:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svis01 [131.155.70.161] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA15020 (ESMTP). Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:20:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from uconnvm.uconn.edu [137.99.26.3] by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA24015 (SMTP). Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:20:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from *unknown [137.99.40.23] by UCONNVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:20:05 EST X-Warning: UCONNVM.UConn.Edu: Could not confirm that host [137.99.40.23] is Nebraska Message-ID: <003101be18a0$17d01760$17286389@Nebraska.Geog.uconn.edu> From: "John L. Allen" To: "Environmental History" , "Exploration and Discovery" , "H-Net Western History List" , "Map History" Subject: [EXP] Research assistance via the Web Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:17:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01BE1875.E6F4DD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: ROr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BE1875.E6F4DD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear colleagues, I am writing to a number of discussion groups on this topic; if you get = this message more than once, please forgive the intrusion on your time = and disk space. Over the past year I have noted an increasing number of students from = grade school through graduate school sending out requests for = information to discussion groups. These often are of the variety: "I = have a paper to write. What can you tell me about . . . (fill in the = blanks). Thank you for your assistance." Most of us, being good-hearted souls and wanting to share our erudition = and knowledge (?), tend to respond pretty positively to such inquiries = and send, either on-line or directly to the individual requesting = information, fairly lengthy and detailed replies, often complete with = bibliography and footnotes. My question for us is: should we be doing this? I can vaguely remember a = teacher somewhere/sometime telling me to "look it up". This falls into = the broad definition of what we call research. I put research in a = different category than submitting a broadcast request for help to a = group of folks who may know something about a topic and then using the = information they give to write a paper. At worst, unless the use of = information provided in this way is very careful and with scrupulous = attention to attribution, this is plagiarism. It is a form of cheating. = At the very best, it is getting someone else to do what should be the = most exciting part of a research project: looking it up. I have recently seen papers written by undergraduates that had, as their = lists of references, ONLY material solicited from discussion groups = similar to this one. My suspicion is that a growing number of = students--at any level--don't understand the difference between spending = a lot of library / lab time to "look it up" and spending a little = computer time to ask others to offer their knowledge. This trend is alarming. What happens when we get to the point that all = the people left to answer questions are accustomed only to asking others = rather than trying to find their own answers?=20 Keep in mind that I am not talking about colleagues asking one another = for advice and assistance in a research project. I am not talking about = students (of any level) asking for advice on where to go to look for = information on a particular topic. I am not talking about a request to = colleagues for advice on reading lists or other materials for a course. = Those are, I think, all legimate uses of the new information technology. But how do we reply to the middle-schooler who posts a message saying = "Hi. I need to get as much information on _______ in as short a period = of time as possible. Please help me. Thank you very much"? Forgive me for asking you to chew on this along with the remains of your = Thanksgiving turkey. Have I finally succeeded in my goal of becoming a = world-class curmudgeon? Collegially yours, John Logan Allen=20 Dr. John L. Allen Department of Geography U-148 University of Connecticut Storrs, CT 06269-2148 geoadm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu or jallen@snet.net (860)486-4660 (860)486-1348 (fax) ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BE1875.E6F4DD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear colleagues,
 
I am writing to a number of discussion groups on = this topic;=20 if you get this message more than once, please forgive the intrusion on = your=20 time and disk space.
 
Over the past year I have noted an increasing number = of=20 students from grade school through graduate school sending out requests = for=20 information to discussion groups. These often are of the variety: = "I have a=20 paper to write. What can you tell me about . . . (fill in the blanks). = Thank you=20 for your assistance."
 
Most of us, being good-hearted souls and wanting to = share our=20 erudition and knowledge (?), tend to respond pretty positively to such = inquiries=20 and send, either on-line or directly to the individual requesting = information,=20 fairly lengthy and detailed replies, often complete with bibliography = and=20 footnotes.
 
My question for us is: should we be doing this? I = can vaguely=20 remember a teacher somewhere/sometime telling me to "look it = up". This=20 falls into the broad definition of what we call research. I put research = in a=20 different category than submitting a broadcast request for help to a = group of=20 folks who may know something about a topic and then using the = information they=20 give to write a paper. At worst, unless the use of information provided = in this=20 way is very careful and with scrupulous attention to attribution, this = is=20 plagiarism. It is a form of cheating. At the very best, it is getting = someone=20 else to do what should be the most exciting part of a research project: = looking=20 it up.
 
I have recently seen papers written by = undergraduates that=20 had, as their lists of references, ONLY material solicited from = discussion=20 groups similar to this one. My suspicion is that a growing number of=20 students--at any level--don't understand the difference between spending = a lot=20 of library / lab time to "look it up" and spending a little = computer=20 time to ask others to offer their knowledge.
 
This trend is alarming. What happens when we get to = the point=20 that all the people left to answer questions are accustomed only to = asking=20 others rather than trying to find their own answers? 
 
Keep in mind that I am not talking about colleagues = asking one=20 another for advice and assistance in a research project. I am not = talking about=20 students (of any level) asking for advice on where to go to look for = information=20 on a particular topic. I am not talking about a request to colleagues = for advice=20 on reading lists or other materials for a course. Those are, I think, = all=20 legimate uses of the new information technology.
 
But how do we reply to the middle-schooler who posts = a message=20 saying "Hi. I need to get as much information on _______  in = as short=20 a period of time as possible. Please help me. Thank you very=20 much"?
 
Forgive me for asking you to chew on this along with = the=20 remains of your Thanksgiving turkey. Have I finally succeeded in my goal = of=20 becoming a world-class curmudgeon?
 
Collegially yours,
 
John Logan Allen 
 
Dr. John L. Allen
Department of=20 Geography
U-148
University of Connecticut
Storrs, CT = 06269-2148
geoadm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu=
          &nbs= p;    =20 or
 
(860)486-4660
(860)486-1348=20 (fax)
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BE1875.E6F4DD80-- From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Wed Nov 25 20:16:37 1998 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id UAA09938 (ESMTP). Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:16:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id UAA15263. Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:13:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svin08 [131.155.70.71] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id UAA15258 (ESMTP). Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:13:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from crow.prod.itd.earthlink.net [209.178.63.7] by svin08.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id UAA25924 (ESMTP). Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:13:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from sprintmail.com (ip254.seattle11.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.67.254]) by crow.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22020; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:13:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <365C56FF.8994052C@sprintmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:14:07 -0800 From: Paul Buell Organization: Alpha Omega Research and Trans X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discovery@win.tue.nl, geoadm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu Subject: Re: [EXP] Research assistance via the Web References: <003101be18a0$17d01760$17286389@Nebraska.Geog.uconn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO John: yes, the trend is alarming. There are a lot of very lazy students out there. However, there are two reasons why we should pack in on them all: 1) Beginners often formulate superb questions. On the Anglo-Saxon list that I formerly was a member of a highschool student once, in the process of talking about his project, asked: "who wrote Beowulf, when, and for what audience." Some list members complained but the issue went on to be debated for a month and it should have been since the question is the critical one for the entire field of Anglo-Saxon studies. I have do idea what use the student made of the discussion, I do know that it was conducted at a high level and was exactly the kind of thing that should be going on on these lists. And while I would flunk a paper that just cited a list as source material (unless the topic were particularly relevant to list discussion and resource), the discussion was, in the end, a major resource for anyone interested. 2) Many students come not with "help me write my paper when I am too lazy to do anything" inquires but with specific questions showing that they have already done a great deal of work. A daughter of a friend once used me as a resource person for early Medieval Iceland, upon which topic she had to prepare a middle school presentation. I spent an hour on the phone with her and passed on many books and other useful material to her through her father. The reason; she quickly demonstrated to me that she had already done a great deal of research and knew what questions to ask. That a 13-year-old was working at this level impressed me. How could any time spent answering her questions be wasted. So, it all depends upon the inquiry. But we should not shut the door to beginners. John: would you repost this to all those other lists I am not a member of (including the discovery one if you don't see it appear since the server seems regularly to reject my postings). Paul D. Buell From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Thu Nov 26 06:52:55 1998 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id GAA28921 (ESMTP). Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:52:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id GAA16672. Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:49:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svin10 [131.155.70.127] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id GAA16668 (ESMTP). Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:48:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@mail.minn.net [208.16.88.2] by svin10.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id GAA21480 (ESMTP). Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:48:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from PC_keithp.minn.net (dialup-pm1-16.minn.net [208.16.89.26]) by mail.minn.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA10375 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:49:46 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.minn.net: Host dialup-pm1-16.minn.net [208.16.89.26] claimed to be PC_keithp.minn.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101be18a0$17d01760$17286389@Nebraska.Geog.uconn.edu> References: Conversation <003101be18a0$17d01760$17286389@Nebraska.Geog.uconn.edu> with last message <003101be18a0$17d01760$17286389@Nebraska.Geog.uconn.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Discovery list" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Keith Pickering" Subject: Re: [EXP] Research assistance via the Web Date: Thu, 26 Nov 98 00:41:40 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO I too get a nearly continuous stream of requests for help, usually via my website, so I I share John's concerns. My usual tack is to evaluate the question for specificity first. If the questioner asks for a very specific piece of knowlege that I have ("what did Columbus die of?" is common), I usually go ahead and answer it. But if the question is more broadly worded, I point the questioner to my bibliography page, or suggest specific sources. (Sometimes this is less than helpful for questioners in areas without access to research-class libraries). Finally, if the questioner is a teacher or parent, I tend to be more flexible and helpful. If the questioner is a student, sometimes you just have to trust that the teacher is able to evaluate the student's ability to research by judging the quality of the sources. Keith Pickering keithp@minn.net |====================================== | Visit the Columbus Navigation Homepage | http://www1.minn.net/~keithp |====================================== ---------- > Dear colleagues, > > I am writing to a number of discussion groups on this topic; if you get this > message more than once, please forgive the intrusion on your time and disk > space. > > Over the past year I have noted an increasing number of students from grade > school through graduate school sending out requests for information to > discussion groups. These often are of the variety: "I have a paper to write. > What can you tell me about . . . (fill in the blanks). Thank you for your > assistance." > > Most of us, being good-hearted souls and wanting to share our erudition and > knowledge (?), tend to respond pretty positively to such inquiries and send, > either on-line or directly to the individual requesting information, fairly > lengthy and detailed replies, often complete with bibliography and footnotes. > > My question for us is: should we be doing this? I can vaguely remember a > teacher somewhere/sometime telling me to "look it up". This falls into the > broad definition of what we call research. I put research in a different > category than submitting a broadcast request for help to a group of folks who > may know something about a topic and then using the information they give to > write a paper. At worst, unless the use of information provided in this way is > very careful and with scrupulous attention to attribution, this is plagiarism. > It is a form of cheating. At the very best, it is getting someone else to do > what should be the most exciting part of a research project: looking it up. > > I have recently seen papers written by undergraduates that had, as their lists > of references, ONLY material solicited from discussion groups similar to this > one. My suspicion is that a growing number of students--at any level--don't > understand the difference between spending a lot of library / lab time to > "look it up" and spending a little computer time to ask others to offer their > knowledge. > > This trend is alarming. What happens when we get to the point that all the > people left to answer questions are accustomed only to asking others rather > than trying to find their own answers? > > Keep in mind that I am not talking about colleagues asking one another for > advice and assistance in a research project. I am not talking about students > (of any level) asking for advice on where to go to look for information on a > particular topic. I am not talking about a request to colleagues for advice on > reading lists or other materials for a course. Those are, I think, all > legimate uses of the new information technology. > > But how do we reply to the middle-schooler who posts a message saying "Hi. I > need to get as much information on _______ in as short a period of time as > possible. Please help me. Thank you very much"? > > Forgive me for asking you to chew on this along with the remains of your > Thanksgiving turkey. Have I finally succeeded in my goal of becoming a > world-class curmudgeon? > > Collegially yours, > > John Logan Allen > > Dr. John L. Allen > Department of Geography > U-148 > University of Connecticut > Storrs, CT 06269-2148 > geoadm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu > or > jallen@snet.net > > (860)486-4660 > (860)486-1348 (fax) From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Nov 28 17:50:58 1998 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA23570 (ESMTP). Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:50:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id RAA01605. Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:44:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@wsinfm15 [131.155.69.168] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA01601 (ESMTP). Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:44:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@localhost by wsinfm15.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery@win.tue.nl id RAA01418. Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:44:16 +0100 (MET) From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels) Message-Id: <199811281644.RAA01418@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: [EXP] Research assistance via the Web In-Reply-To: <003101be18a0$17d01760$17286389@Nebraska.Geog.uconn.edu> from "John L. Allen" at "Nov 25, 1998 1:17: 7 pm" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:44:16 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Well, I think it will surprise noone that, even though I'm working in a completely different field normally, I also get requests for information from students regularly. Personally I do not have great problems with that - at least not if the information that is wanted is not on my site, or on an easily found site it's linking to. I'm trying to get a picture that's as complete as possible, and when certain information is not available yet, asking me is (IMO) just an extension of my site. Of course the type of question is of importance too. As others have said, if the question is specific, we will tend to have less problems in answering it. However, even if the question is more general, like "Could you tell me something about explorer so-and-so?" I don't mind answering. If there is a link on my page, or I can find a page through a simple search, then I will just refer the person who asked to it, but if I can't find anything, I will assume that there simply is no information on the web, while that happens to be the place they searched for it. If I have time, I will send something. In fact most pages about separate explorers have come into being that way. Finally, if the question is of a more theoretical nature ("What was the influence of such-and-such on the Spanish exploration of the New World?") I'll probably forward it to this list, as I feel less capable of answering it - although there's a good chance I still try. I look at things this way: Having biographies of important explorers is part of the task I have set myself by having my web site. If I had a page on explorer XXX, that would no doubt have been used by these students. Asking me the question is just the replacement because I haven't gotten to creating the page. -- Andre Engels, engels@win.tue.nl, ICQ #6260644 http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/index_en.html A child is not a glass that is filled but a fire that is set ablaze. -- Vincent van Gogh (I think) From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Mon Nov 30 15:11:22 1998 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id PAA13059 (ESMTP). Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:11:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id OAA04421. Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:59:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svin01 [131.155.70.70] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id OAA04411 (ESMTP). Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:58:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@mail.minn.net [208.16.88.2] by svin01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id OAA03922 (ESMTP). Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:58:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from PC_keithp.minn.net (dialup-pm2-6.minn.net [208.16.89.46]) by mail.minn.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA21700 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 07:59:11 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.minn.net: Host dialup-pm2-6.minn.net [208.16.89.46] claimed to be PC_keithp.minn.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <365FF77B.2C4C@snet.net> References: Conversation <365FF77B.2C4C@snet.net> with last message <365FF77B.2C4C@snet.net> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Discovery list" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Keith Pickering" Subject: [EXP] Fw: Polish Navigator Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 08:51:59 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO I forward the query below, which I cannot answer. Anyone who knows of this person, please reply to paconway01@snet.net Keith Pickering keithp@minn.net |====================================== | Visit the Columbus Navigation Homepage | http://www1.minn.net/~keithp |====================================== ---------- > Date: Saturday, November 28, 1998 05:15:39 > From: Patricia A. Conway > To: keithp@minn.net > Subject: Polish Navigator > > Dear Kieth, > This is a long shot...but,I am trying to research the following ancestor > without much success.Would you be so kind,or able,to offer any > suggestions in my goal? > > Andre Loup dit Le Polanaise was born 1660 in Dantzig(Gdansk),Poland.He > was the son of Jean Loup dit Polanaise and Anne Visque. > Andre`s occupation was recorded as a Navigator.He was in Quebec,New > France by 1687 when he married.His death was by drowning in 1719. > > In all your travels can you suggest where I may learn of HOW/IF he came > to sail for France????? > Any guidance you may be able to afford me will be greatly appreciated. > Sincerely, > Patricia A.Conway > Connecticut >