From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Mon Jan 4 17:24:45 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA04727 (ESMTP). Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:24:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id RAA03995. Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:19:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svis01 [131.155.70.161] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA03989 (ESMTP). Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:19:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@delftnet.nl [194.229.15.1] by svis01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA20888 (ESMTP). Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:19:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from peter (modem7.delftnet.nl [194.229.15.248]) by delftnet.nl (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20755; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:19:08 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990104170111.006aed20@delftnet.nl> X-Sender: pvdk@delftnet.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:01:11 +0100 To: maptrade@raremaps.com, discovery@win.tue.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: [EXP] Discussions on CD-ROM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Dear all As those of you who are also subscribed to MapHist already know, I publish every year an edited and indexed version of the MapHist discussions. The first years on paper, and last year on CD-ROM. The discussions are more or less edited, or better, cleaned up: Spams, and wrongly posted personal messages are not included, unnecessary internet headers (only date, name of sender and subject are kept), signature files and copies of original messages are removed. For further information see http://kartoserver.geog.uu.nl/HTML/STAFF/krogt/maphist/cdrom.htm I am now preparing the 1999 edition with the discussions up to and including 1998, which will be ready in February. Since on the Discovery-List and Maptrade very related subjects are discussed, I would like to include these discussions on the CD-ROM too. Subscribers who have objections to the insertion of their messages on the CD-ROM, please inform me privately at pvdk@delftnet.nl P.S. See also the discussion about copyright on http://kartoserver.geog.uu.nl/HTML/STAFF/krogt/maphist/hccomm.htm Peter ______________________________________________________ Visit the MapHist WWW page http://kartoserver.geog.uu.nl/HTML/STAFF/krogt/maphist.htm YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands Home page: http://kartoserver.geog.uu.nl/HTML/STAFF/krogt/krogt.htm Genealogy page: http://www.delftnet.nl/~pvdk/ e-mail: p.vanderkrogt@geog.uu.nl and pvdk@delftnet.nl Fax +31 15 212 6063 YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Jan 29 17:45:24 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA13260 (ESMTP). Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:45:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id RAA20486. Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:42:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@wsinfm15 [131.155.69.168] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id RAA20480 (ESMTP). Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:42:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@localhost by wsinfm15.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery id RAA01047. Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:42:25 +0100 (MET) From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels) Message-Id: <199901291642.RAA01047@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Subject: [EXP] verrazzano To: discovery@win.tue.nl Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:42:25 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Sadly I see that this list is hardly used. In fact I get more messages from majordomo that another person has spammed the list (but the message did not arrive because it was from a non-subscribed address), than there are serious message on the list itself. Hoping to improve this situation, I hereby ask the following question: Books on discovery give the date of Verrazzano's voyage along the coast of contemporary USA sometimes as 1824 and sometimes as 1825. Still, it is clear that it was made within a single year. Which year is correct, and why did the wrong one come into circulation? -- Andre Engels, engels@win.tue.nl, ICQ #6260644 http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/index_en.html A child is not a glass that is filled but a fire that is set ablaze. -- N.N. From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Jan 29 18:26:51 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id SAA13627 (ESMTP). Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:26:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id SAA20887. Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:26:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svin08 [131.155.70.71] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id SAA20883 (ESMTP). Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:26:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from bert.bancroft.pvt.k12.ma.us [146.115.194.10] by svin08.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id SAA23044 (ESMTP). Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:25:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from [146.115.194.135] by bert.bancroft.pvt.k12.ma.us with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:29:14 -0400 X-Sender: reaston@bert.bancroft.pvt.k12.ma.us Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199901291642.RAA01047@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:28:49 -0400 To: discovery@win.tue.nl From: "Robert W. Easton" Subject: Re: [EXP] verrazzano Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: ROr Is this a trick question? My resources (you'd all laugh if you saw where I looked) suggest a somewhat earlier date.... And another question to ignite the list: My third graders are proposing a holiday in the US for the Viking Explorers, Leif Eiriksson in particular, who preceded Columbus. ("Who was lost!" they indignantly include). Any support for this thought? Rob Easton Bancroft School Worcester, Massachusetts USA From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Fri Jan 29 19:34:29 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA14396 (ESMTP). Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:34:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id TAA21125. Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:32:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@wsinfm15 [131.155.69.168] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA21121 (ESMTP). Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:32:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@localhost by wsinfm15.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery@win.tue.nl id TAA02062. Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:32:44 +0100 (MET) From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels) Message-Id: <199901291832.TAA02062@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: [EXP] verrazzano4 In-Reply-To: from "Robert W. Easton" at "Jan 29, 1999 12:28:49 pm" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:32:43 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Robert W. Easton wrote: > Is this a trick question? My resources (you'd all laugh if you saw where I > looked) suggest a somewhat earlier date.... Sorry, typo. Of course I meant 1524 and 1525. > And another question to ignite the list: My third graders are proposing a > holiday in the US for the Viking Explorers, Leif Eiriksson in particular, > who preceded Columbus. ("Who was lost!" they indignantly include). Any > support for this thought? Which thought exactly are you referring to? -- Andre Engels, engels@win.tue.nl, ICQ #6260644 http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/index_en.html A child is not a glass that is filled but a fire that is set ablaze. -- N.N. From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Jan 30 02:01:45 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id CAA17399 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:01:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id CAA03547. Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:00:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svin01 [131.155.70.70] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id CAA03543 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:00:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from wya-lfd113.hotmail.com [207.82.252.177] by svin01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id CAA05240 (SMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:00:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 9874 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jan 1999 00:59:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990130005935.9873.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.13.226.15 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:59:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [12.13.226.15] From: "Gregory McIntosh" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] verrazzano4 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:59:35 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO If I remember correctly, on at least one occasion someone or some group was able to get some US President (L. J. Johnson?) to proclaim a day in October (7th?) one year as Leif Ericson Day. Not a national holiday, but just one of those presidential proclamations, like National Canned Ham Day or National Dental Floss Week. It would be nice to remember the Medieval Greenlanders and Vinlanders once a year but I doubt it would ever become a full-fledged national holiday, i.e., three-day weekend for government employees. Might be a good classroom project, however, on what it takes to get your local congressman to get a resolution passed thru Congress or what it takes to get the President to make a proclamation. Greg McIntosh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Jan 30 03:01:00 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id DAA17658 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 03:01:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id CAA03736. Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:59:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svin10 [131.155.70.127] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id CAA03732 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:59:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@minn.net [208.16.88.2] by svin10.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id CAA21834 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:59:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from lizard (dialup-pm3-6.minn.net [208.16.89.76]) by mail.minn.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id TAA01262 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:59:45 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.minn.net: Host dialup-pm3-6.minn.net [208.16.89.76] claimed to be lizard From: "Keith Pickering" To: Subject: [EXP] Leif Ericson Day Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:02:07 -0600 Message-ID: <01be4bf4$8a755000$LocalHost@lizard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.01.2111 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.01.2111 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Leif Ericson Day is October 9, and is still remembered in areas of the country with Scandinavian heritage. Keith Pickering keithp@minn.net ========================================= Visit the Columbus Navigation Homepage http://www1.minn.net/~keithp ========================================= -----Original Message----- From: Gregory McIntosh To: discovery@win.tue.nl Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [EXP] verrazzano4 >If I remember correctly, on at least one occasion someone or some group >was able to get some US President (L. J. Johnson?) to proclaim a day in >October (7th?) one year as Leif Ericson Day. Not a national holiday, >but just one of those presidential proclamations, like National Canned >Ham Day or National Dental Floss Week. It would be nice to remember the >Medieval Greenlanders and Vinlanders once a year but I doubt it would >ever become a full-fledged national holiday, i.e., three-day weekend for >government employees. Might be a good classroom project, however, on >what it takes to get your local congressman to get a resolution passed >thru Congress or what it takes to get the President to make a >proclamation. > >Greg McIntosh > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Jan 30 08:51:30 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id IAA05284 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:51:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id IAA04326. Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:50:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@wsinfm15 [131.155.69.168] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id IAA04322 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:49:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from engels@localhost by wsinfm15.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery id IAA13168. Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:49:56 +0100 (MET) From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels) Message-Id: <199901300749.IAA13168@wsinfm15.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: [EXP] verrazzano (fwd) To: discovery@win.tue.nl Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:49:55 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO This article was originally rejected by majordomo because it came from a not-subscribed address. Such messages are rejected to avoid spam. Unfortunately, some people, like this person, have several email addresses aliased to the same address, in which case the mail may be sent with a different 'From' address. Andre Engels, list manager ----- Forwarded message from owner-discovery@win.tue.nl ----- >Books on discovery give the date of Verrazzano's voyage along the coast of >contemporary USA sometimes as 1824 and sometimes as 1825. Still, it is clear >that it was made within a single year. Which year is correct, and why did the >wrong one come into circulation? Since he sailed into New York harbor in April 1524, and since the break between one year and another was then considered to occur as of the beginning of a new Spring season rather than as of December 31st, I would have expected our history books to have vascilated between 1523 and 1524 rather than between 1524 and 1525. \s\ Austin Meredith "Stack of the Artist of Kouroo" Project ----- End of forwarded message from owner-discovery@win.tue.nl ----- From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Jan 30 15:19:38 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id PAA06920 (ESMTP). 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Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:18:05 +0100 (MET) From: AACMrTiff@aol.com Received: from AACMrTiff@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PESDa01428 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:17:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2c0d0419.36b31469@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:17:13 EST To: discovery@win.tue.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [EXP] verrazzano (fwd) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Jan 30 15:20:21 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id PAA06927 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:20:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id PAA08768. Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:19:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svbs01 [131.155.69.3] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id PAA08763 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:19:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65] by svbs01.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id PAA29412 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:19:17 +0100 (MET) From: AACMrTiff@aol.com Received: from AACMrTiff@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DERZa07792 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:17:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <281fa93a.36b3147f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:17:35 EST To: discovery@win.tue.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [EXP] Leif Ericson Day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Jan 30 15:20:21 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id PAA06931 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:20:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id PAA08767. Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:19:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svin04 [131.155.70.154] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id PAA08758 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:19:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id PAA06916 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:19:16 +0100 (MET) From: AACMrTiff@aol.com Received: from AACMrTiff@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GQTLa26290 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:18:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4d94e1a5.36b314a4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:18:12 EST To: discovery@win.tue.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [EXP] verrazzano Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO From owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Sat Jan 30 19:11:06 1999 Received: from majordom@svin12.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.135] by svin04.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA08096 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:11:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from majordom@localhost by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for discovery-list id TAA09401. Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:07:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from root@svin03 [131.155.70.153] by svin12.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA09397 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:07:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from smtp.snet.net [204.60.33.21] by svin03.win.tue.nl (8.8.7) for id TAA07837 (ESMTP). Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:07:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from pop.snet.net ([204.60.33.22]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.6/O-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA03056 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from absaroka (ptnm-sh2-port179.snet.net [204.60.41.179]) by pop.snet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/SNET-pop-1.3/D-1.5/O-1.3) with SMTP id NAA12037 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:07:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008601be4c7b$5cd369c0$eb88fea9@snet.net> From: "John L. Allen" To: Subject: Re: [EXP] verrazzano Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:07:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Status: RO Rob, Not a trick question, I don't think, but Andre simply typed "18" for "15"; the dates he is referencing for Verrazzano are 1524 and 1525. I believe the correct year is 1524. That is the date given by Morison, by Quinn, by Kupperman in Allen, THE EXPLORATION OF NORTH AMERICA, vol. 1. The dating of documents related to Verrazzano in D.B. Quinn's documentary collection NEW AMERICAN WORLD would also point to a 1524 rather than a 1525 date. I'm not certain where the 1525 date came from; I have seen it a few times but not in sources that I would consider highly reliable. John Dr. John L. Allen 21 Thomas Drive Storrs, CT 06268 860/487-1346 jlallen@snet.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert W. Easton To: Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [EXP] verrazzano >Is this a trick question? My resources (you'd all laugh if you saw where I >looked) suggest a somewhat earlier date.... > >And another question to ignite the list: My third graders are proposing a >holiday in the US for the Viking Explorers, Leif Eiriksson in particular, >who preceded Columbus. ("Who was lost!" they indignantly include). Any >support for this thought? > >Rob Easton >Bancroft School >Worcester, Massachusetts >USA > >