X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Sender: sanderva@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) -- [Cornell= Modified] Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:38:42 -0400 To: From: Jeanne & Tom Sander Subject: [EXP] The Portolan= (Washington Map Society) - Issue 44 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl THE PORTOLAN: JOURNAL OF THE WASHINGTON MAP SOCIETY ISSUE 44 (Spring1999) -------------------------------------------------------------- Issue 44= (Spring1999), consisting of 60 pages, including numerous illustrated= articles, was published in May 1999 and has been sent to all pre-paid= subscribers and members in good standing of the Washington Map Society. = This issues contains two articles from the 1998 Ristow Prize competition= and integrates color. The Portolan is published three times per year. = Issue 45 is expected to be released in September 1999. ---------------------------------------------------------------- CONTENTS OF= ISSUE 44 - Spring 1999 ARTICLES "Science, Giants and Gold: Juan de la Cruz Cano y Olmedilla's Mapa= Geogr=E1fico de America Meridional." by Ken Mitchell. This paper is the= winner of the 1998 Ristow Prize for Cartographic History and Map= Librarianship. "The National Palette: Painting and Map-Coloring in the Seventeenth-Century= Dutch Republic." by Lisa Davis-Allen. This paper received honorable= mention in the 1998 Ristow Prize for Cartographic History and Map= Librarianship. For color illustrations used as figures in this article,= see: http://www.cyberia.com/pages/jdocktor/portolan44.htm "The George Washington Map Collection in the Library of Congress." by Edward= Redmond.=20 RECENT PUBLICATIONS A regular feature in The Portolan, this is a bibliographic listing of= articles and books appearing worldwide on antique maps and globes and the= history of cartography. By Eric W. Wolf.=20 SHORTER ITEMS 1. Washington Map Society Meetings, May 1999 - March 2000. 2. Exhibitions and Meetings, Into the Year 2000. 3. Map Site Seeing, key World Wide Web map sites. 4. Notes from, and Travels with, the Editor. 5. Geography in Washington Between the Civil War and World War I. AUTHORS/SOURCES OF ARTICLES IN THIS ISSUE KEN MITCHELL is the winner of the= 1998 WALTER W. RISTOW PRIZE IN THE HISTORY OF CARTOGRAPHY AND MAP= LIBRARIANSHIP. A graduate of Pomona College, he attends graduate school= (in history) at the University of Minnesota. His focuses on 17th-century= European documents of the New World. LISA DAVIS-ALLEN, a doctoral candidate in European History at the= University of Texas at Arlington, is Lecturer in Art History at the= University of Texas at Tyler. She received her B.F.A. in Printmaking= with a minor in Art History in 1983, and an M.A. in History with= a specialization in Art and Cartography from the University of Texas at= Arlington in 1987. Ms. Davis-Allen currently is working on her Ph.D. dissertation, which addresses the palette in both seventeenth-century Dutch= and eighteenth-century French painting and map-coloring. Her article in= The Portolan is winner of Honorable Mention in the 1998 Ristow Prize= competition. EDWARD REDMOND is Reference Librarian at the Geography and Map Division,= Library of Congress and current Vice President of the Washington Map= Society. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Web Site for more information about the Washington Map Society is= http://www.cyberia.com/pages/jdocktor/washmap.htm Web Site with a listing of the contents of all issues of The Portolan to= date is http://www.cyberia.com/pages/jdocktor/portolan.htm Membership Cost: Membership in the Washington Map Society may be commenced= at any time. For U.S. and Canadian addressees, membership is US $28.00= per year. For foreign addressees, the cost is US $ 34.00, which includes= airmail posting of The Portolan. Payment is accepted in US dollars only. A membership form can be found at the Washington Map Society Web Site. Subscription Cost. Subscription cost is the same as membership. Sample Copies: Sample copies of the Portolan beginning with issue 44 cost= US$ 9.00 for US and Canadian addressees; the cost is US$ 11.00 for foreign= addressees, which includes airmail posting. Payment is accepted in US= dollars only. Prior issues are available at a lower cost. Inquiries concerning The Portolan may be directed to the Editor. **************************************** Posted By: =20 Thomas F. Sander Editor, The Portolan Washington Map Society P.O. Box 10793 Burke, VA 22009-0793 USA =20 =20 Phone: 703 426 2880 International: +1 703 426 2880 Fax: 703 426 2881 = International: +1 703 426 2881 E-mail: Sanderva@erols.com ************************************************** excuse cross posting X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Sender: litlotta@lit.gu.se Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:11:08 +0200 To: discovery@win.tue.nl From: Lotta Lotass Subject: [EXP] Query regarding= journal Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Hi everyone! I'm looking for two articles from a journal/magazine called Exploration. So= far I have been unable to find the journal and would appreciate any help in= locating it - preferably an address. The articles in question are: W. C. Spengemann, "Eternal Maps and Temporal Voyages", in Exploration vol. 2, 1974 and John Tallmadge, "Voyaging and the Literary Imagination", in Exploration vol.= 7, 1979 Grateful for any help in finding them! All the best! Lotta Lotass Department of Comparative Literature Goteborg University Sweden X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Originating-IP: [12.13.226.13] From: "Gregory McIntosh" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] Query regarding journal Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 08:47:58= PDT Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Sounds like it might be EXPLORATION, "The Journal of the Modern Language= Association Seminar on the Literature of Exploration." I think the MLA is= located in Illinois. Greg McIntosh plusultra@hotmail.com >I'm looking for two articles from a journal/magazine called Exploration. So >far I have been unable to find the journal and would appreciate any help in >locating it - preferably an address. > >The articles in question are: > >W. C. Spengemann, "Eternal Maps and Temporal Voyages", in Exploration vol. >2, 1974 > >and > >John Tallmadge, "Voyaging and the Literary Imagination", in Exploration >vol. 7, 1979 > >Grateful for any help in finding them! > >All the best! > >Lotta Lotass >Department of Comparative Literature >Goteborg University >Sweden > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free= Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 11:08:42 -0400 From: Reynolds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-RR082798 (Win95; I) To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] The Portolan (Washington Map Society) - Issue 44 Sender:= owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Thank you very much for sending the copy of the Winter 98/99 issue; I= received it on my return home yesterday. --=20 William T. (Chip) Reynolds 1507 Amherst Rd Hyattsville, MD 20783 +301-422-2940 (voice) +301-422-2965 (facsimile) annc@erols.com X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:51:07 -0600 From: Dick Fischbach X-Sender: "Dick Fischbach"= (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95;= U) To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: [EXP] Magellan's Cabin Boy Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Several years back I jotted down the following brief note but - until now -= never attempted to verify the story: "On March 7, 1521 Ferdinand Magellan reached the island of Guam.=20 Slightly more than 5 years later (July 30, 1526) Andres de Urdaneta= (1508-1568), seeking the spice islands, landed on Guam where he found a= cabin boy left from Magellan's expedition." A remarkable tale! The odds are simply enormous against anyone being left= on an island during the first global circumnavigation and then rescued by a= later expedition. Magellan's fleet (Trinidad, San Antonio, Concepcion, Victoria and Santiago)= sailed from Spain on September 8, 1519. Sometime in 1522 the Trinidad's= cabin boy, Goncalo de Vigo, half starved and probably suffering from= scurvy, deserted from his ship to an island in the Marinas group (probably= present-day Rota). There some islanders befriended him and took him with= them on a 450-mile passage to Guam, where he lived for four years until= found by Urdaneta's astonished crew. (Of Magellan's original fleet of five vessels and 270 men that left Seville,= only one ship and 18 men returned to Spain after a three-year voyage). Vigo undoubtedly considered himself fortunate to have been rescued; however,= he would have lived a longer and certainly happier life had he stayed on= Guam, for he was about to embark upon an even deadlier journey. Andres Urdaneta sailed in one of the seven ships that=20left Spain on August= 24, 1525. They were led by Garcia Jofre de Loaysa with Sebastian de= Elcano, or del Cano, (who had commanded the first expedition following= Magellan's death) as chief pilot. Of the seven ships, two deserted in the= Atlantic, one was disabled and traveled to the west coast of Mexico, one= was wrecked in the Tuamotu Islands, and another on Mindanao. Only the= flagship, the Santa Maria de la Victoria, survived. =20 Continuing this tale - On the same day that Loaysa died, Vigo was rescued= from his island sanctuary. Sometime later the Santa Maria finally made it= to Tidore, in the 'spice islands' (on January 1, 1527). There the Spanish sailors immediately began warring with the Portuguese= traders who were established on the nearby island of Ternate. The Spanish= were temporarily aided by the arrival of the Florida, commanded by Alvaro= de Saavedra, and were able to hold on to their position on Tidore. But in= May 1529 Saavedra left the island, leaving Urdaneta and some of the Spanish= behind. By the end of the year they realized that they would never prevail= and surrendered; only 17 Spaniards survived this struggle. (Surprisingly,= the Portuguese allowed Urdaneta to continue trading under their auspices). = In 1536 he returned to Spain, together with a handful of survivors. It= would be interesting to learn whether Goncalo de Vigo was among this group= or whether by this time his bones lay moldering in some forgotten grave.=20 (In utilizing very limited resources in attempting to verify this story, I= repeatedly came across references to O.H.K Spate's 'The Spanish Lake,'= University of Minnesota Press, 1979. If any list member has access to this= volume, will they please correct any factual errors). Dick Fischbach X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Sender: raiswell@pop.chass.utoronto.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light= Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:09:45 -0400 To: discovery@win.tue.nl From: Richard Raiswell Subject: [EXP] Edward= Webbe Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl I am trying to find some information on the English adventurer Edward Webbe= (fl. 1590). He seems to have been active with Jenkinson in Russia and then= Persia getting enslaved a couple of times! I have found a reference to him in the Dictionary of National Biography and= a contemporary tract written by him: _The rare and most wonderful thinges= which Edward Webbe an Englishman borne, hath seene and passed in his= troublesome travailes._ (1590) However, I wonder if anyone can steer me= towards some more current bibliography.=20 Any thoughts would be appreciated, - Richard Raiswell Dept. of History, Univ. of Toronto. X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet From: "A.H.Schulenburg" To:= Subject: [EXP] Joao da Nova Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:00:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By= Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl I am writing a brief paper about the discovery of St Helena, suppossedly in= 1502. Does anyone know of any instance in the literature where Joao da Nova, the= island's discoverer, is rendered as Joao da Nova Castella? I am asking, because in St Helena historiography his name has been rendered= incorrectly since 1817, hence a few stubborn individuals just don't want to= accept that it is indeed just plain da Nova. While the entry for da Nova= in the _Enciclop=E9dia Portuguesa e Brasileira_ (Lisbon, 1945) should= satisfy anyone's interest in the man, some folks still aren't convinced. = The latest argument put forward is that 'Castella' may be a Portuguese= title of sorts. Could it really be? Has anyone ever come across such a title? Also, does anyone know of an illustration of da Nova, whether contemporary= or not? Lastly, is Duarte Leite's _Hist=F3ria dos Descobrimentos_ (Lisbon, 1960)= accepted as an authority on the subject, or has it been discredited by some= of his speculations? Is there a modern work on the Portuguese discoveries= on the same scale (and in English)? Thank you! Alexander Schulenburg X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Originating-IP: [12.13.226.13] From: "Gregory McIntosh" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] Joao da Nova Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:15:26 PDT Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl For a more recent work in English, there is: Cortes=E3o, Armando. . 2 vols. Coimbra:= Junta de Investiga=E7=F5es do Ultramar-Lisboa, 1969-71. And, of course, the following reprint in Portuguese and English: Cortes=E3o, Armando and Avelino Teixeira da Mota. . 6 vols. Reprint of 1960, with additions. Lisbon: Imprensa= Nacional-Casa da Moeda, 1987. Greg McIntosh plusultra@hotmail.com > >I am writing a brief paper about the discovery of St Helena, suppossedly in >1502. > >Does anyone know of any instance in the literature where Joao da Nova, the >island's discoverer, is rendered as Joao da Nova Castella? > >I am asking, because in St Helena historiography his name has been rendered >incorrectly since 1817, hence a few stubborn individuals just don't want to >accept that it is indeed just plain da Nova. While the entry for da Nova= =20 >in >the _Enciclop=E9dia Portuguesa e Brasileira_ (Lisbon, 1945) should satisfy >anyone's interest in the man, some folks still aren't convinced. The=20 >latest >argument put forward is that 'Castella' may be a Portuguese title of sorts. >Could it really be? Has anyone ever come across such a title? > >Also, does anyone know of an illustration of da Nova, whether contemporary >or not? > >Lastly, is Duarte Leite's _Hist=F3ria dos Descobrimentos_ (Lisbon, 1960) >accepted as an authority on the subject, or has it been discredited by some >of his speculations? Is there a modern work on the Portuguese discoveries >on the same scale (and in English)? > >Thank you! > >Alexander Schulenburg _______________________________________________________________ Get Free= Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Originating-IP: [12.13.226.12] From: "Gregory McIntosh" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] Joao da Nova Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:20:32 PDT Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Also, I found 49 instances of on the Web. Too much= for me to read for you. Have you done a search yet? Greg _______________________________________________________________ Get Free= Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet From: "j. cruzado" To: Subject: RE: [EXP] Magellan's Cabin Boy Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:07:11= +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By= Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl | |Andres Urdaneta sailed in one of the seven ships that left Spain on |August= 24, 1525. They were led by Garcia Jofre de Loaysa with Sebastian |de= Elcano, or del Cano, (who had commanded the first expedition |following= Magellan's death) as chief pilot. Of the seven ships, two |deserted in the= Atlantic, one was disabled and traveled to the west |coast of Mexico, one= was wrecked in the Tuamotu Islands, and another on |Mindanao. Only the= flagship, the Santa Maria de la Victoria, survived. =20 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Urdaneta (a basque man) crossed the Pacific Ocean in a first time, in= the expedition of Loaysa , going to conquer the Spice Islands (Moluco= Islands). In this journey , he was a young sailor. Urdaneta returned to cross the Pacific Ocean in the expedition of= Legazpi (another basqueman) , that was going to conquer the Philipine= Islands (in this travel, Urdaneta wanted to conquer New Guinea...). In= this second expedition across the Pacific, he was the "geographer" or= something similar. JP. Anaya =20 anay@arrakis.es X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet From: "A.H.Schulenburg" To:= Subject: RE: [EXP] Joao da Nova Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:17:27 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By= Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl > Also, I found 49 instances of on the Web. Dear Greg, You will probably find that they all occur in connection with St Helena= only, hence proving my very point. Regards, Alexander P.S: Thank you for the bibliographical references contained in your earlier= reply. X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:27:32 -0600 From: Dick Fischbach X-Sender: "Dick Fischbach"= (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95;= U) To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] Magellan's Cabin Boy Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl j. cruzado or jp anaya wrote: > Urdaneta (a basque man) crossed the Pacific Ocean in a first time, > in the expedition of Loaysa , going to conquer the Spice Islands > (Moluco Islands). In this journey , he was a young sailor. Thanks for updating reference to Andres de Urdaneta; I was unaware that he= was from the Basque region. And, yes, he was a young sailor - at the time= he sailed with Loaysa's ill-fated expedition, he was only 17 years old. = [I've often wondered how many sailors during this time period were young;= that is, in their 'teens and twenties? Considering the wretched life of= most seafarers during the 16th century, I don't think too many lived long= enough to be called 'old'].=20 Dick Fischbach dfisch@oneimage.com X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Sender: henny-savenije@pop3.demon.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999= 23:41:37 +0200 To: discovery@win.tue.nl From: Henny Savenije Subject: Re: [EXP]= Magellan's Cabin Boy Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl >Thanks for updating reference to Andres de Urdaneta; I was unaware that >he was from the Basque region. And, yes, he was a young sailor - at the >time he sailed with Loaysa's ill-fated expedition, he was only 17 years >old. [I've often wondered how many sailors during this time period were >young; that is, in their 'teens and twenties? Considering the wretched >life of most seafarers during the 16th century, I don't think too many >lived long enough to be called 'old'].=20 Just read the chapter I wrote about the life of the sailors of the VOC on my= homepage and you will see you're right. ----------------------------- Henny (Lee Hae Kang) Feel free to visit=20 http://www.henny-savenije.demon.nl/index2.htm and feel the thrill of Hamel= discovering Korea (1653-1666) X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet From: "j. cruzado" To: Subject: RE: [EXP] Magellan's Cabin Boy Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 04:49:10= +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By= Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl [I've often wondered how many sailors during this time period were |young;= that is, in their 'teens and twenties? Considering the wretched |life of= most seafarers during the 16th century, I don't think too many |lived long= enough to be called 'old'].=20 |Dick Fischbach |dfisch@oneimage.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mostly of these children-sailors of these ships, in Spain, they were= orphanage children, abandoned children. that in this time , it seems be,= they were lots of children...the orphanages transfer these children, about= the 12 years, to the ships as assistants of the ship crew. In the ships,= the name of this children was "grumete" (of the english groom-et ?)=3D= cabin boy.(almost half a crew was "grumete") Before Magallan, in Spain, Sebastian Cabot received the mission of "to= discover the location of Spice Islands and the Offir island" jp. anaya anay@arrakis.es X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Originating-IP: [209.180.6.2] From: "michael zalar" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: [EXP] Columbus: Icelandic volcanoes?? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:23:40 PDT Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl In reading the log of Columbus (Robbert Fuson, trans) I came upon the= following passge under Friday, 24 August 1492: "I passed this night near Tenerife, where the great volcano on tht island= erupted in a fiery display. Many members of the crew were astonished and= frightened, for they had never seen such an occurence. I calmed them by= telling about Mount Etna in Sicily and other volcanoes tht I have observed,= and I explained the cause of this great fire." The question I have is what "other volcanoes" might Columbus have been= talking about? Where there any other active volcanoes in the= Mediterranean?=20 I know that it has been suggested that he may have travelled to Iceland at= some point before his famous voyage, though it seems to be of considerable= debate. If there were no other active volcanoes in the known area of his= travels, is this statement evidence of a journey to that northern land? -Michael _______________________________________________________________ Get Free= Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet From: "Adam Goodheart" To: Subject: Re: [EXP] Columbus: Icelandic volcanoes?? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:38:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender:= owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Michael, Columbus could certainly have seen the other two active Italian volcanoes,= Vesuvius and Stromboli .... Stromboli in particular, lying along a heavily= traveled route near the Strait of Messina, and erupting almost constantly,= has always been a landmark for sailors in the Mediterranean. (I've seen it= myself: a steep black cone that spits out orange lava every few minutes,= sending it tumbling down hissing into the sea. Especially at night, a sight= that would have been hard for CC to forget ...) Adam Goodheart ---------- > From: michael zalar > To: discovery@win.tue.nl > Subject: [EXP] Columbus: Icelandic volcanoes?? > Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:23 AM >=20 > In reading the log of Columbus (Robbert Fuson, trans) I came upon the=20 > following passge under Friday, 24 August 1492: >=20 > "I passed this night near Tenerife, where the great volcano on tht island > erupted in a fiery display. Many members of the crew were astonished and > frightened, for they had never seen such an occurence. I calmed them by=20 > telling about Mount Etna in Sicily and other volcanoes tht I have= observed,=20 > and I explained the cause of this great fire." >=20 > The question I have is what "other volcanoes" might Columbus have been=20 > talking about? Where there any other active volcanoes in the= Mediterranean?=20 > I know that it has been suggested that he may have travelled to Iceland= at=20 > some point before his famous voyage, though it seems to be of considerable= =20 > debate. If there were no other active volcanoes in the known area of his > travels, is this statement evidence of a journey to that northern land? >=20 > -Michael >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet From: ExJournal@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:27:35 EDT Subject: Re: [EXP] Columbus: Icelandic volcanoes?? To: discovery@win.tue.nl X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Michael - There are also several volcanoes along the mid-western coast of= Africa, which have been reported from antiquity. It's really a game of= "connect the dots". Stanford/Amos Nur have found evidence for a tectonic= boundary between Sicily and Alexandria, previously unknown, and this makes= a number of Mediterranean Volcanoes part of the larger picture, and= explains why large parts of old Alexandria are now thirty feet down. Pace,= Carl Schuster X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: Re: [EXP] Columbus:= Icelandic volcanoes?? To: discovery@win.tue.nl Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 06:28:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl > In reading the log of Columbus (Robbert Fuson, trans) I came upon the=20 > following passge under Friday, 24 August 1492: >=20 > "I passed this night near Tenerife, where the great volcano on tht island= =20 > erupted in a fiery display. Many members of the crew were astonished and= =20 > frightened, for they had never seen such an occurence. I calmed them by=20 > telling about Mount Etna in Sicily and other volcanoes tht I have= observed,=20 > and I explained the cause of this great fire." >=20 > The question I have is what "other volcanoes" might Columbus have been=20 > talking about? Where there any other active volcanoes in the= Mediterranean?=20 Rather a number. There are several active volcanoes in Italy. Columbus mentions Etna; Vesuvius is well-known; there are quite a few small= vents outside Naples. I suggest, however, that "other volcanoes" in this case most likely refers= to Stromboli, which has been _very_ active (albeit at a lower level) for a= _very_ long time. (I'm not familiar with 15th-century eruptions, but I'd= be surprised if Stromboli didn't have at least some activity during that= period.) > I know that it has been suggested that he may have travelled to Iceland= at=20 > some point before his famous voyage, though it seems to be of considerable= =20 > debate. If there were no other active volcanoes in the known area of his= =20 > travels, is this statement evidence of a journey to that northern land? Since there are other active volcanoes in the Med, Occam's Razor tells us= that we don't need to postulte a trip to Iceland. Of course, it's entirely= possible that he did see volcanoes in Iceland, but I wouldn't say the= evidence demands it. Tony Z X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet From: "Paul D. Buell" To: Subject: Re: [EXP] Columbus: Icelandic volcanoes?? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:17:32 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By= Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Columbus was an avid reader, might not these other volcanoes have been= literary, at Pompeii, for example? Paul D. Buell X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Authentication-Warning: mail.minn.net: Host dialup-pm3-27.minn.net= [208.16.89.97] claimed to be lizard From: "Keith Pickering"= To: Subject: Re: [EXP] Columbus: Icelandic volcanoes?? Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:53:41 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.01.2111 X-MimeOLE: Produced By= Microsoft MimeOLE V4.01.2111 Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl Paul wrote: >Columbus was an avid reader, might not these other volcanoes have been >literary, at Pompeii, for example? Paul D. Buell I second the suggestion. In spite of Fuson's rather loose 'translation,'= the original source for this quote contains no assertion that CC himself= observed any other volcanoes. From "The Life of the Admiral Christopher= Columbus by His Son Ferdinand," (New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press,= 1959, 1992), chapter 17: "Observing the astonishment of the crew, he explained to them the cause of= this fire, making his point with the example of Mount Etna in Sicily and= many other mountains like it." The actual remains of CC's log of the first voyage (the Diario) does not= have an entry for August 23. Keith Pickering keithp@minn.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Visit the Columbus= Navigation Homepage http://www1.minn.net/~keithp =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D X-POP3-Rcpt: pvdk@delftnet X-Originating-IP: [209.179.170.63] From: "Gregory McIntosh" To: discovery@win.tue.nl Subject: Re: [EXP] Columbus: Icelandic volcanoes?? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:33:33 PDT Sender: owner-discovery@win.tue.nl Reply-To: discovery@win.tue.nl In the interest of assisting present and future researchers using one or= more of the many available translations of Columbus's diario ot log, I= would like to emphatically state something that I think is only suggested= by what Keith has said and that is that Fuson's translation should not be= used as a reference or source. It is not a true translation. It is a= compilation of the diario, as preserved by Las Casas, and augmentations= from the Historia of Las Casas, and augmentations from the Historie of= Fernando Colon, plus some literary license on the part of Fuson. These= emendations are not specified by Fuson, so one does not know from which of= these four sources a passage may be. I like the book. I even own two copies. But if one needs an English= translation (and one is not attempting to solve the Columbus Landfall= Problem), use the Dunn and Kelley translation. Greg McIntosh plusultra@hotmail.com > >I second the suggestion. In spite of Fuson's rather loose 'translation,' >the original source for this quote contains no assertion that CC himself >observed any other volcanoes. From "The Life of the Admiral Christopher >Columbus by His Son Ferdinand," (New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press, >1959, 1992), chapter 17: > >"Observing the astonishment of the crew, he explained to them the cause of >this fire, making his point with the example of Mount Etna in Sicily and >many other mountains like it." > >The actual remains of CC's log of the first voyage (the Diario) does not >have an entry for August 23. > >Keith Pickering >keithp@minn.net >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Visit the Columbus Navigation Homepage >http://www1.minn.net/~keithp >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free= Email and Do More On The Web. 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