Minutes
of the Meeting on 22nd October 2001
Present:
Keith Austin (Flowmaster), Sebastien Caillaud (EDF),
Christina Giannoppa (King’s College), Chris Greenshields (Nabla),
Martin Hamilton (Hamilton Flowservices), Pierre Moussou (EDF) Arris
Tijsseling (Eindhoven University), Della Leslie and Alan Vardy
(Dundee University).
Chairman:
Keith Austin
Minutes:
Della Leslie
Meeting
commenced at 09.30 hours.
Apologies:
Jim Brown (Dundee University), Bruno Brunone (Perugia
University), Simon Pugh (ESDU), Patrick Vaugrante (EDF), Lixiang
Zhang (Kunming University of Science and Technology).
Preliminary
Items
- The minutes from the last meeting
were approved.
Item 1.
Progress at Dundee – Objectives 1 and 2
The
first two objectives of the project, exactly as specified in the
research proposal, are:
Objective
1: To identify the features of pipe systems that cause greatest
susceptibility to risk of damage through fluid-structure
interaction.
Objective
2: To identify the minimum acceptable capabilities of methods of
analysis suitable for assessing fluid-structure interaction.
Della
Leslie outlined the recent progress of the project and the contents
of the prepared documents, objective 1 and objective 2. An extensive
and constructive discussion developed. The results of this will be
reported through the development/amendment of the two documents (to
be distributed as soon as possible).
Item 2.
An
analysis of the ANSI-OM3 standards
Sebastien
Caillaud gave a presentation on vibration monitoring of piping
networks. The industrial context of the presentation was the French
design guide (RCC-M), in which there is no design specification for
vibration in nuclear piping networks.
The
current method used in EDF is derived from ANSI-OM3, which presents
an empirical relationship between maximum stress and lateral
velocity. The relationship is dependent on terms describing
material, geometries and boundary conditions. These are accounted
for through 6 constants: C0, C1, C2,
C3, C4 and K2.
Sebastien
presented a flow chart illustrating the methodology of vibration
monitoring. Outlining the method: velocity measurements are taken;
if these are less than 12mm/s, then there is deemed to be no risk;
if they are greater than 12mm/s, then the OM3 standard is used. If
the velocity is acceptable by this standard, then again no risk is
assumed; otherwise expertise is needed. Sebastien reported that
there have been a few systems that have not passed the OM3 standard,
but there have been no problems so far. The 12mm/s guideline has
been obtained from international experience feedback, though this
can be shown to contradict the ANSI-OM3 relationship (using extreme
values of all coefficients)
Sebastien
continued, presenting some analysis on the ANSI-OM3. He asked
whether the simultaneous use of max/min values for all coefficients
was realistic, giving the example of C4
realistic>min(C4). Concluding, Sebastien highlighted
that the method was simple and efficient for large and numerous
piping system. The method is based on structural analysis with FSI
neglected. The ANSI-OM3 is designed for assessment of systems and
not for the design of systems.
A
discussion followed, in which Sebastien said that the aim of the
research was to justify the standard. In particular the use of the
12mm/s guideline was discussed; Martin Hamilton suggested that it
might be acceptable given that certain features are not present. He
also said that there was a need to decide where to take
measurements. Sebastien said that technicians take these
measurements, and Pierre Moussou added that the 12mm/s guide was
designed to be “idiot” proof, but the OM3 needed more
experienced people. It was highlighted that the OM3 guideline is
based on 5 systems (single pipe, single elbow, z-system, U-system
and 3D elbow pair).
Item 3.
Experiments
at Dundee – results, interpretation and implications
Arris
gave a presentation outlining the experimental work carried out
during his visit to Dundee in July. He began by outlining the
intended programme for experiments. Starting with the existing
system, which he labelled the LT-system: a single elbow and T-piece
(in-plane), with closed ends, water filled and suspended with wires.
Connected to this were 7 dynamic pressure transducers, 1 static
transducer, 12 strain gauges and one velocity (LDV). With this
set-up, the intended programme was to perform axial rod impacts
(transient and free-vibration), steel hammer impacts (transient and
free-vibration, both axial and lateral). This would be followed by
the LT-system, air-filled, before examining a T-system (water then
air-filled), hopefully extending the water filled T-system to
include cavitation experiments , and finally a pressure-temperature
experiment (recording the variations in pressure as the temperature
in the laboratory varies throughout the course of the day).
However,
this programme did not proceed according to plan! Many problems were
encountered. The rig had not been used for two years. The result was
there was a leak at PT4, LDV not working properly (needs to be sent
off for recalibration), theodolite not ok, T-piece leaking and
impact-plug leaking (this had been removed in order to re-mill the
impact surface – previous experiments had left the surface
dented).
As
a result of these problems it was decided to proceed with an
air-filled system – Arris’ visit was only for 2 weeks, and the
main aim of this was to familiarise Della with the workings of the
experimental set-up.
In
total, 24 LT tests were carried out, 12 with and 12 without end
caps. Each set of 12 experiments consists of: 2 transient and 4 free
vibration (2 axial rod, 2 lateral hammer), these 6 repeated with
different locations for measurements (due to limited number of
signals that can be processed). Arris presented some of the results
obtained, saying that it takes a long time to analysis ALL
results/data obtained. He added that the experimental performed
should show the influence of end caps.
With
a water filled system, Arris highlighted some of the expected
results: Anticipate influence of water, resulting in a lower
frequency (about 0.8 factor), a changed spectra if fluid and
structural frequency are close, a better match with simulation
(because empty pipe is more sensitive).
To
conclude his presentation Arris made some historical remarks.
Joukowsky, 1898, is usually quoted as being the first to examine
waterhammer. However, Arris presented some work by Johannes von
Kries from 1883 examining waterhammer and friction.
Arris
reported a recent publication, Arris and Dave Wiggert, giving a FSI
literature review. This will be distributed with the minutes. He
also informed the group of an upcoming FSI symposium, in New Orleans
17-22 November, 2002 (at the 2002 ASME Int. Mechanical Engineering
Congress and Exposition).
Finally,
Arris informed the group that in the Netherlands, the average
consumption of Stroopwafel, which originate from 1784, was 20/year,
giving those present a sample of 10, so that regular attendees of
the meeting will in fact consume the same as the average Dutchman
(partners abstaining)!
Item 4.
Development
of Guidelines – Objective 3
To
express these outcomes in a manner that will reduce significantly
the uncertainties faced by designers of pipe systems.
Della presented an
introduction to objective 3. This outlined a number of points and
ideas. Firstly, the results must be simple, with the guidelines
aimed at engineers and not mathematicians. The idea of a tree
diagram, with potential branches was presented, including:
·
structure induced vs. fluid induced
·
Resonant vs. one-off event
·
Slow vs. rapid event
·
Elbows vs. no elbows
·
Distance of elbow from closed end
·
Position of supports from junction
·
Length and flexibility of supports
·
Ratio of pipe/fluid densities
A
discussion developed. Arris asked what the 12-month plan was and
what is important, saying that there was too much to do. Alan
replied that we intend to do a sensitivity study and not a parameter
study: i.e. 10x10 simulations and not 1010. The question
of what are we looking for was made: Pressure: magnitude and
duration, Tresca stresses. Chris suggested the rate of pressure
rise. Alan added that for the time domain, maximum pressure and
Tresca stresses were written into proposal.
The
question of static stresses was brought up which resulted in an
extensive discussion. The result was to discount static for the
current project, ensuring to add a warning statement to this effect
in the guidelines developed.
Item 5.
FIV
problems in industrial piping systems: example and general issue
The
main focus of a presentation by Pierre Moussou was FIV in Nuclear
Safety systems. The types of FIV covered, included: turbulence
induced vibration in pipes (e.g. valves, orifices, T-piece),
cavitation induced vibration and pumps in partial flow regimes.
He
began by highlighting the research reported in a paper given at the
ASME-PVP 2001 conference, based on 2 small-bore piping fatigue
failures that occurred at the end of 1999. These were in a residual
heat removal system (RHR), an essential cooling system in which
failure cannot be tolerated. He showed a diagram of the system,
explaining that the small bore pipes were side branches from the
main system.
The
system is subject to a broadband spectrum of vibration (0-400hz) and
its response is dependent on hydraulic conditions, with cavitation
particularly important.
The
study he performed was based on the allowable velocities at root of
small-bore pipe and the influence of hydraulic conditions. It was
found that cavitation of a valve (labelled 13vp) appeared to be main
source of vibration. The main results showed that piping system
vibration increased when the Thoma number decreased or when
hydraulic power increased. Therefore 2 valves were opened to reduce
the flow in valve 13vp, reducing the hydraulic power and hence the
vibration of the piping system. He said that it was an FSI problem,
but that FSI was not calculated.
Pierre
continued his presentation, reporting on a second paper (Coupling
Effects in a Two Elbows piping system, 7th Int. Conf. On
Flow Induced Vibrations, Lucerne, 2000). This was based on research
that aimed to design a simple piping system exhibiting coupling
effects. What was discovered, was that one effect of coupling is to
prevent the coincidence of structural and fluid natural frequencies.
Pierre described the proposed system: a z-configuration (2 flexible
elbows, clamped at both ends). The system was designed so that the
structural and fluid both produced the same natural frequency (14Hz)
when the calculations are performed uncoupled. Repeating the
analysis using a coupled model produced frequencies of 12 and 18Hz,
and further analysis proved that coincidence in the coupled model
could not be possible.
Item 6.
Fluid
transients in flexible tubes
Chris
(Greenshields) gave an introduction to this presentation, outlining
the history leading to the development of the project currently
undertaken by Christina Giannoppa (PhD student, Chris is external
supervisor).
The
idea to model arteries as a single system, not fluid + solid, dates
back to 1998, when Chris presented a single set of equations,
representing both fluid and solid in terms of pressure and velocity.
In
1999, this almost worked except for a problem of dissipation. It
wasn’t until 2001 when funding for a PhD project was obtained to
examine this problem of dissipation in the numerical solution for
the solid. It was found to be a bigger problem than anticipated.
Christina
took over at this point and gave a presentation describing the
results found so far within her project.
For
FSI in flexible pipes and tubes, there is more interest in the local
deformation. In human arteries, E<<K (i.e. solid is softer).
How is this modelled? Christina outlined a common method in which
pressure from a fluid analysis is input to a solid, and then the
velocity from the solid analysis fed back into the fluid analysis,
continuing until the solution converges. She said that this was
computationally expensive and potentially unstable. Alan said that
the instability is result of approach and not method used, saying
that you shouldn’t condemn the entire method because of this,
highlighting other possibilities, e.g. change the direction of the
iteration arrow or use a relationship between pressure and velocity.
Christina
continued by outlining the single approach method (one set of
equations for solid and fluid). This is a finite volume method,
modelling transient behaviour for compressible solid and fluid
components with thick walls. Typically, velocity and pressure are
used within fluid equations and displacement and stress for the
solid. For the single approach method to work, the solid equations
must be written in terms of pressure and velocity. Christina gave
some results obtained with this approach, showing total power vs.
time, comparing force accumulation vs. stress accumulation. It
illustrated that there was a problem with stress accumulation
results, which exhibited dissipation. This was found to be due to
the method of discretisation.
Summarising,
Christina said that the project investigated an innovative method
for FSI, and that the single solution method was faster
(computationally), more intuitive, and whilst the application of
interest was blood flow it was a general method (could be used for
general application).
A
discussion followed, which included the differences between
finite-element and finite-volume methods. Arris mentioned that there
is currently funding available short-term stays at Eindhoven for
post-graduates via a Madame Curie Scheme.
Next
meeting: 15th April,
together with a second day, 16th April, on Unsteady
friction.
Item 7.
Chairman’s Closure
Closure
of meeting: at 17:02 hours.
Addendum
For
the next meeting:
We
propose to have completed the following work
·
Time
domain, theoretical treatment completed
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